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Interview With Terry Melanson: Illuminati, Eugenics, "Sky-Eye" chips and more

- by MAD & Terry Melanson ©, Mar. 10, 2007

The following interview was conducted by MAD, the Administrator of NWOWATCHER and co-host of the REVOLUTION RADIO program. MAD's recent articles and interviews can be found here and here.

MAD: Terry, thanks for speaking with us today. I’ve been checking out your informative website on a regular basis for a few years now, and you’ve always got interesting updates and articles to share. First off, could you give us a little background on how you became interested in topics of the “New World Order”, and what made you decide to start your own website exposing these pervasive conspiracies?

TM: Thanks for asking and allowing me to indulge.

My quest began a little more than 17 years ago through an intense study of Bible prophecy. For a few years I was really obsessed. I bought all the popular prophecy books on the market, watched Jack Van Impe and Peter LaLonde religiously, and looked for signs of the end of the world and the imminent return of Christ. I was convinced that we were living in the last days foretold in Daniel, Revelation, Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Isaiah.

Gradually, the material I got my hands on started to expand my scope of investigation. The turning point occurred, as it did for many, when I was giving a small book called None Dare Call it Conspiracy. I was hooked. My attention was now directed toward the machinations of the hidden ruling elite. Somehow it never occurred to me that if the Antichrist were to be revealed there would necessarily have to be a very powerful clique of financiers and well-placed insiders directing his ascendancy. When you start learning about the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergs, Secret Societies and a nefarious/nebulous Illuminati - all the pieces fall into place. Even knowing that there truly is something akin to a shadow government (they certainly make no mention of it in school), how can you go on and not have it change you in a profound way?

I then began to wonder what else I had never been told about. So throughout the 90s I devoured hundreds of volumes, on every subject, from the occult to quantum mechanics, astrophysics to freemasonry and the mysteries, to mainstream history and hidden history, the paranormal and into other faiths and spiritual persuasions. A veritable hodge-podge of seemingly conflicting views of the world, I know, but I was on a mission: to reveal that which was hidden from view. I had no intention of specializing, conforming, or adhering to one belief system or another; I just soaked it all up like a sponge.

Then in 2000 I got wired. The Net opened up an infinite amount of possibilities and for someone who is a seeker of knowledge by nature, it was a revelatory experience. I taught myself HTML and set about building my own version of the ubiquitous web page on Geocities. Paul Joseph Watson was just starting out on Geocities at the time as well. Some of my favorite sites from those days were ToogoodReports, "Wake up America/Hardtruth," and CentrExNews - the latter being the site, for better or worse, which introduced Svali to alternative circles with a 13-part interview.

As I had created unique content from the beginning, traffic increased steadily and I finally made the plunge to my own domain in 2002.

MAD: Aside from the nice layout and 100’s of articles you’ve meticulously posted regarding government corruption, secret societies, mind control and September 11th, one of the biggest things I’d recommend about CONSPIRACY ARCHIVE is your fine work detailing the many atrocities of the modern day Eugenics Movement. Most people are unaware that the United States was the first nation to promote this practice in the mainstream, forcibly sterilizing and castrating nearly 100,000 people between 1900-1940 because they were deemed “unfit to breed”. While Hitler utilized this idea to its fuller extent, it was America that first implemented the heinous practices from sea to shining sea. The main inspiration for the scientific ideal of Eugenics was Sir. Francis Galton, who was also the cousin of Evolutionist Charles Darwin, and a firm believer in “Survival of the Fittest”. The Eugenics Movement is a virtually invisible history and is deeply entwined with America’s secret foundations. We can also add the massive Native American slaughter into this whole equation, and the widespread slavery of Africans. This is a fairly open question, but what are your thoughts regarding the topic of Eugenics? Do you believe it’s still ingrained in the “Illuminati” mindset today, and is it important that more people become aware of the role Eugenics has played in U.S. history?

TM: You are correct; since 2004 when I started entering stories into my news database, there have been 120+ entries/links to articles expounding various facets of eugenics and population control. I have created a special page [here] so your readers can view the collection for themselves. Surprisingly, a good deal of the stories I've linked to have come from the MSM. In recent years class action suits have been initiated, forcing governments to compensate those who've been sterilized against their will – thus the media has had no choice but to touch upon the eugenics movement (if only in a peripheral fashion). I have also published the incredible articles of Phil and Paul Collins, who regularly recount the significance of the Malthusian/Darwinian/Eugenical sociocracy of the ruling class.

The oligarchs, the nobility and aristocrats, liken themselves as superior in every respect. "Blue blood" is considered pure or free from inferior lines. The very origin of the word eugenics itself stems from the Greek words "good" and "generation" or "wellborn". Francis Galton coined it himself, to denote controlled breeding for the purification of the human race. As you mentioned, Galton was a cousin of Darwin's; they shared the same grandparent: Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802), a Freemason and one of the founding members of the elite-scientific Lunar Society. Erasmus was the author of Temple of Nature and Zoönomia, or, the Organic Laws of Life, in which the basic outline of the theory of evolution can be discerned.

It is important to remember that evolutionary theory was originally couched in white race/Anglo-Saxon terms and gained acceptance through a western literate audience. The dominance and intelligence of the white race over the whole circumference of the earth, to them, was the single greatest sociological proof by which western man had demonstrated to the world its superiority and god-given right to rule. Combined with Malthusian population control, the power elite utilize evolution and eugenics as a weapon against the undesirables: the morons, imbeciles and lesser races.

American Eugenics Society Eugenics became a well-funded industry. As you know, seed money for research was heavily supplied by the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation, prominent Skull and Bones families such as the Harrimans and Kelloggs, and most of the eastern WASP establishment. In England, those who would advance the study of eugenics were family names such as Darwin, Huxley, Dodge, Osborn, Keynes and Downs. Charles Darwin's own son, Major Leonard Darwin (1850-1943), was the Eugenics Society President from 1911-1928, an Honorary President from 1928-43, and an attendee of the 1921 Second International Congress of Eugenics in New York. In turn, Major Leonard Darwin's niece, Ruth Darwin, was on the 1931 Brock Committee, which came to the conclusion that compulsory sterilization was the right course of action for "undesirables".

Nothing has changed today. Frederick Osborn - founding member of the American Eugenics Society and co-founder with John D. Rockefeller III of the Population Council in 1953 - famously said: "Eugenic goals are most likely to be attained under a name other than eugenics." (The Future of Human Heredity, 1968, p. 104) Thus, the names of the various organizations have dispensed with the eugenic moniker in favor of more palatable titles. The American Eugenics Society (1926-1973) changed its name to the Society for the Study of Social Biology (1973-present). The American Eugenics Society had also published the journals Eugenical News (1939-53) and Eugenics Quarterly (1953-68); afterwards, the publication was conveniently renamed as Social Biology (1969-95). Ostensible "family planning" organizations, such as the Rockefeller-funded Population Council, still operate in much the same manner as originally intended – though, the "undesirables" are now represented by the over-populated poor in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Birth control, abortion, and sterilization are still the tools of the eugenical trade. It's used strategically to reduce population, along with war, disease and famine.

MAD: Likewise, you’re always pretty up to date with the emerging RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) predicament. What do you think of the connections that some people have implied, that this technology is in fact the ‘Mark of the Beast’? For those who are still unaware, could you explain exactly how RFID works, and where do you see the future of RFID as heading if the Elites get their way?

TM: RFID and the Verichip has at least caused those who believe in the Bible to track its progress and report on it vigorously. This is a good thing. Whether it will actually fulfill prophecy I can't speculate – though now, for the first time, the possibility of a Mark of the Beast is a technological possibility. It's the Big Brother/Police State surveillance aspect of RFID and human implants that warrants my own "tracking" of the phenomenon. Close to 1300 related stories have been entered into the news database since 2004.

RFID is pretty simple. It is a small tag attached to products, livestock or humans which, when scanned with radio waves, emits unique identifying digital data. It is passive, in that the power supply is not contained with the tag or chip itself. It yields information only when scanned by a nearby reader. Thus, the range of tracking is very limited, down to feet.

With active RFID the chip would have its own power supply and emit a continuous signal, perhaps with the added capability of satellite tracking. The media will tell you that active RFID solutions are still in development and that it is years away yet. They forget, however, that it was one of their own who, in 1998, reported on a chip much more advanced than either Verichip or Digital Angel – indeed, one that was incredibly "active". The Sunday Times (London), 11 October 1998, sec. 1, p. 13, ran a story, "007 Implant to Protect Kidnap Targets," by reporters Maurice Chittenden and David Lloyd. It was a report about a company called Gen-Etics, who had produced a microchip implant called Sky-Eyes (based upon Mossad technology), trackable by satellite, and "made of 'synthetic and organic fiber'." The chip ran "on four milliamperes of neurophysiological energy."

007 implant to protect kidnap targets

by Maurice Chittenden and David Lloyd

THIS is the bleep that says: "Rescue me." A microchip under the skin that can help to locate hostages is being marketed to combat one of the world's biggest growth industries - there were a record 1,407 abductions for ransom worldwide last year, up 60% since 1990.

The victim's "little helper" uses natural body energy with James Bond-style technology devised by scientists working for Israeli intelligence.

Space satellites will follow the bleep to detect a victim's movements or hiding place. The information will then be relayed to a control centre to be used for a rescue operation.

The device has come too late for three British engineers and a New Zealand colleague abducted in Chechnya last weekend. But film stars and the children of millionaires are among 45 people, including several Britons, who have been approached and fitted with the chips in secret tests during the past three months. The chips, costing £5,000 a time, are being launched in Milan this week.

However, kidnap experts are divided on whether the Sky-Eye chip is just another fashion accessory for the painfully rich or a valuable weapon in the fight against extortion.

The Gen-Etics company, which makes the chip, says it is being targeted at people in the public eye such as Leonardo DiCaprio, the Titanic star whose family originates from an area of southern Italy steeped in kidnapping, and companies that send employees to potentially dangerous places such as Colombia, Mexico and Chechnya. The company developed the chip for commercial use after it was invented by Mossad, the Israeli secret service, and used by agents on special missions.

Nicholas Ventura, in charge of marketing the device, said: "Film stars like DiCaprio and Robert De Niro are the kind of personalities this is aimed at - basically millionaires, VIPs and captains of industry who for family or work reasons go to places where kidnap gangs are active."

He refused to identify any clients. Customers on his doorstep could include the Duchess of York, who regularly visits the castle of Count Gaddo della Gherardesca, her Tuscan boyfriend; Sting, the rock star, who has a villa in Tuscany; and Greta Scacchi, the Anglo-Italian actress born in Milan.

The 43 Europeans and two Americans who have so far adopted the chip had surgery under a light anaesthetic. Gen-Etics claims the surgery is intended to daze the patient and prevent him or her remembering exactly where the incision was made, so he cannot reveal the chip's location to his abductors even under torture.

Every chip is made of synthetic and organic fibres and measures 4mm by 4mm. It does not need a battery and runs instead on four milliamperes of neurophysiological energy.

Only a small scar is visible and the chip escapes detection by x-rays. It is inserted under the skin but not on areas that can be amputated, including the hands, nose and ears.

Posting an earlobe to the family of a victim is a favourite technique for kidnap gangs. John Paul Getty III, grandson of the oil billionaire and one of 700 people kidnapped in Italy in the past 30 years, suffered such a fate in 1973.

The whereabouts of the carrier are followed by six satellites through the global positioning system, which has a 150-metre margin of error and has previously been used to track the movements of stolen luxury cars. The absence of a signal suggests that the victim has been killed because the body no longer supplies the energy to make the chip function.

The Sky-Eye is seen as an alternative to surrounding the children of the rich and famous with teams of burly bodyguards. Donatella Versace, sister of the murdered Italian fashion designer, appears to be well aware of the risks. Her two children, Allegra - who inherited the larger part of her uncle Gianni's fortune - and Daniel, are watched over by a phalanx of security men whenever they step out of the family's 18th-century palazzo in Milan.

Others are more cynical about the microchip, however. Robert Davies, a special risks underwriter for Hiscox, an insurance group that holds 5,000 kidnap policies, said it might work in Britain or the United States but could prove hazardous in less developed countries, where victims were likely to be shot in rescue attempts and the police were sometimes in league with the kidnappers.

"We are aware that kidnap gangs in Mexico, the most sophisticated in the world, are searching victims for scars that might hide such devices. There is also the effect on morale if a victim thinks he will be quickly rescued but his family decides that would be a stupid thing to attempt," he said. Terry Waite, who was a hostage in Beirut for 5 1/2 years, said: "It is very dangerous because once kidnappers get to know about these things they will skin you alive to find them. There were rumours when I was kidnapped that I had been planted with locator devices.

"I was given rigorous searches, my clothes were changed and I even had my teeth checked."

The above story has been erased from the Sunday Times' website. Even the Wayback Machine's record of it has been expunged. (Both were there about 2 years ago, and when I started poking around and calling up the pages; they soon took care of that). The Chittenden and Lloyd story in the Sunday Times seems to be based upon a report in The Telegraph Journal a few days before.

Even Time Magazine couldn't resist:

A Secret Weapon to Thwart Kidnappers

Israeli scientists are marketing a microchip that, implanted under the skin, will protect film stars and millionaires from kidnap gangs. The chip emits a signal detectable by satellite to help rescuers determine a victim's approximate location. Originally developed to track Israeli secret-service agents abroad, the $5,000 battery-less Sky-Eye chip sold by Gen-Etics runs solely on the neurophysiological energy generated within the human body. Gen-Etics won't reveal where the chip is inserted but says 43 people have had it implanted.

The point is the public has been kept in the dark about current advances regarding implantable chips. The 1998 story made headlines briefly, in a few places, and was never repeated afterwards. Either the story was a hoax (in which case, let's see the retraction), or it has been covered up because too much was revealed. The Sky-Eyes chip was light years ahead of anything we see on the market today; 43 people had already been implanted, it could be detected by satellite, and was virtually unnoticeable, being partially constructed with organic fibers. Something like that has to be kept secret and out of the hands of the public, especially rival intelligence services.

MAD: Fascinating inclusions Terry, thanks for sharing those articles. Ironic that the pieces themselves have been “abducted” or “kidnapped” from the Web. I understand that you’re currently writing a detailed expose on the history of the Bavarian Illuminati, headed under professor Adam Weishaupt. Please, if you can share any details, could you give us a bit of a description for what this book will entail, and when might it be available to the public?

TM: It is a book long overdue in the English language. For 200 years reliable information on the Bavarian Illuminati has been sparse. The only histories in English are those of the Illuminists' contemporaries: John Robison, Proofs of a Conspiracy (1797) and Augustin Barruel, Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism (1798). Nothing substantial has subsequently been published. It's as if Robison and Barruel had written everything there was on the subject and further study was not even necessary.

As a consequence of this vacuum, more tall tales have been told about the ultimate bogey, the Illuminati, than any other subject. Legitimate study of the Bavarian Illuminati has been tainted because of the wild theories associated with the very word, "Illuminati." German scholarship, however, has continued unimpeded – it was, after all, their homeland in which the group had ascended. While research in English speaking countries was nonexistence, German professors were scouring the dusty archives throughout the entire continent of Europe. They have uncovered official lists of hundreds more confirmed members, doctoral theses have been written, and major studies have analyzed new material brought to light.

Some of this I reference, especially the definite lists of members. I've gone back and acquired copies of the Original Writings of the Illuminati for myself - representing the main primary material which both Robison and Barruel consulted - and read the definitive history of the Order: René Le Forestier's 1914 Les Illuminés de Bavière et la franc-maçonnerie allemande. Rounding out the research are stacks of books regarding all aspects of the European Enlightenment. My basement is starting to resemble a well-stocked history section of a university library.

With the lists of initiates as a stating point, I've written biographies of over four-hundred of them. Barruel, for instance, writing as a contemporary in the late 1790s, had sparse information. At most he had identified about eighty members, and only in a cursory manner: name, and/or occupation, and/or alias etc. – that was the extent of it. With the hindsight of 200 years of history and hundreds more membership confirmations, the time is ripe to re-write the entire history, purpose, and significance of the Order for an English audience.

The new book, Perfectibilists: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati, is almost finished and will be available in most major outlets. Nothing but the facts in this one, but written from the perspective of one who actually believes in the reality of a "conspiracy theory." I think of it as the book that Antony Sutton always wanted to write but never had the chance. As a tribute, I include a bit of speculation near the end, which expands upon circumstantial connections to the Skull and Bones. Sutton thought – and rightly so - that there was a real possibility that S&B were the heirs or second branch of the original Bavarian Illuminati. I have uncovered even more evidence that seems to suggest this.

MAD: Sounds like it will be a very interesting and important read, Terry. Regarding you new book, you’ve also revealed that you have a fairly long and detailed list of members who were involved in the 1776 Illuminati, and other organizations which they also might have belonged to. Who are some of the more prominent individuals whom were known to have, or believed to have belonged to, Weishaupt’s Illuminati? Also, since Weishaupt was once a member of the group, how do you think the Vatican’s Jesuit Order ties into the possible birth of the Illuminati? (In terms of the Skull and Bones society of which you mention, and both John Kerry and George W. Bush were members, we also have the connection that new initiates into this order are inducted by a hooded ‘Don Quixote’ figure, and that Quixote author, Miguel de Cervantes, also Jesuit trained, stated that the character was loosely based upon the first Superior General of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius Loyola.) [A Don Quixote/Jesuit Relation]

TM: Let me address your last statement/question first. Weishaupt was educated by the Jesuits, it is true, just as most of the middle class, bourgeoisie, or even the nobility at the time in Bavaria. He was not one of them, however. Weishaupt had only attended Jesuit-controlled schools during his formative years. The Jesuits had a monopoly on education throughout the whole of Catholic Europe; Protestant realms weren't free from their influence either.

The Jesuits were suppressed by the Pope in 1773. During this year, at Ingolstadt University, Weishaupt was already a tenured professor of civil law and was subsequently appointed to the vacant chair of canon law – the first time occupied by a non-Jesuit in 80 years. Many of the Jesuit professors at Ingolstadt continued to teach afterwards – there just weren't many others who had the qualifications. Weishaupt's appointment enraged the "former-Jesuits". A fight ensued and Weishaupt was targeted for investigation: procuring "ungodly" books for the University library, among other things. He was continuously hounded, and he never forgot his ill treatment.

When Weishaupt founded his Order in 1776, it was in large part as a mechanism in which to counter the absolutism of the Jesuits. Throughout the Illuminati's existence they fought the Jesuits tooth and nail. They even invested in their own printers, producing and widely distributing copies of anti-Jesuit material. All the top members of the Illuminati were seasoned and skilled Jesuit hunters! Most of them published their own books attacking the Jesuits in every manner conceivable – which was a main reason they were recruited to begin with. Freemasons and Illuminati were dead serious in their struggle against the very real threat of Jesuit hegemony. The conspiracy industry was born out of it. Before the ubiquitous screed against the threat of the Illuminati - pamphlets, books and monographs decried the menace of Jesuit maniacal world control.

I had to get that off my chest. In conspiracy circles, Jesuits and Illuminati have been become synonymous of late and it is a fallacy to suggest that they are – or were – one and the same. I can back up that statement, while I know for a fact those in the Jesuit-Illuminati camp cannot.

Uncle TobyThe references to Cervantes' Don Quixote in the Skull and Bones initiations most likely stem from a keen reading of Laurence Sterne's The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy (1759-67). The most important figure in the SB initiations is that of Uncle Toby. They take turns being called "Uncle Toby", he directs the entire proceeding, and indeed is the master of everything that takes place within the Tomb on a day to day basis. Uncle Toby is one of the prime characters in Tristram Shandy.

Sterne was educated by the Jesuits (probably was one himself), and was a priest and deacon. The religious satirical writing of Alexander Pope (Essays on Man, 1734) and Cervantes, was Sterne's main influence for the incredibly popular satire which is Tristram Shandy. Sterne even references Don Quixote's horse in the novel, Rocinante. The comic (bawdy humor) English novel in the 18th Century constantly referenced Quixote - in fact Cervantes had created the genre.

I don't usually quote from Wikipedia, but here's a good explanation of the influence I'm talking about:

The shade of Cervantes is ... present throughout Sterne's novel. The frequent references to Rocinante, the character of Uncle Toby (who resembles Don Quixote in many ways) and Sterne's own description of his characters' 'Cervantic humour,' along with the genre-defying structure of Tristram Shandy, which owes much to the second part of Cervantes' novel, all demonstrate the influence of Cervantes.

Here's where it gets interesting. Laurence Sterne's Tristram Shandy was explicitly recommended to Illuminati initiates! I have a whole section of one chapter in my book which goes into the details on exactly what authors and books were required reading for members. Now, the Illuminati cribbed liberally from all aspects relating to the Jesuits, but that's beside the point. The direct line I believe is Cervantes > Sterne > Illuminati > Skull and Bones. Along with many other circumstantial pieces, the fact that Uncle Toby is as prevalent within S&B life as it is, may have a lot to do with the Illuminati's original respect for Tristram Shandy to begin with. Reading Sterne, then, one can immediately discern the influence of Don Quixote on the latter as well - even by Sterne's own admission. So, they decided to enhance the "ceremonies" with additional sub-characters gleaned from Cervantes.

On to membership ... I really don't know where to start. I don't want to reveal too much either.

In general, much study was done on the lives of Mozart and Beethoven. Why? Because according to the substantial lists uncovered over the years, nearly all of their friends and acquaintances were Illuminati. Not just Freemasons – as many have known for awhile, even Mozarts' affiliation with the latter – but major members of the Illuminati. Reading works on the life of Mozart, especially, is to learn the history of a powerful clique of Illuminati, mostly in and around Vienna. His patrons, his friends, his Freemasonic buddies: now confirmed members of the Illuminati. The significance of this is open to debate, but the mere fact that this history hasn't been told is enough for me.

Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi The most informative part of the membership bios is the length to which I document the importance of pedagogy to the Illuminati. Sutton has written about it, and identified Pestalozzi and Wundt as the most influential. Basically, the educational techniques exported to the North American continent during the 19th century were not only traceable to members of the Illuminati, but they are methods of control being practiced within the Minerval lodges of the society itself. All members were tested with the techniques, and it made a lasting impression on them. It wasn't that Pestalozzi et al had discovered it by themselves; they had learned it through association with the Illuminati. (As for Pestalozzi, I back up this assertion by quoting letters he sent before and after his initiation). The main goal of the Illuminati was to institute and control an educational empire for the indoctrination of the young. It worked, and still does. Books like The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America and The Underground History of American Education go into the details. Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt and John Taylor Gatto aren't experts on the history of the Illuminati, however - they didn't realize the true extent of what they had found.

MAD: You cover a variety of other so-called ‘secret societies’ on your site. Tell me, what are some of the other groups that your research indicates are the most powerful and influential in the orchestration of the New World Order within global events?

TM: The goal of the "New World Order" has been touted throughout the 20th Century within the context of, or relating too, control through the implementation of some form of world government. Round Table Group members have been the purveyors of such a plan. Collectively, this is where the pinnacle of power rests today. So, the most influential groups worthy of in-depth study are The Pilgrims, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, and the Royal Institute of International Affairs. It's as simple as that. The people who have the most overlap between these groups are the real controllers of us all. A CFR member might very well be a Zionist (Jewish or Christian), a Jesuit or a Freemason – perhaps all of the above. At this level it is irrelevant. They have chosen to consort among the power elite and consensus is required for the good of the whole. That's as monolithic as it gets, but it still involves different ideologies and a wide range of competing interests.

MAD: Do you believe that the classic “Illuminati” still exists today, and if so, who do you think might have membership with this all-encompassing group? How do the bloodline families play into this whole structure, the Pope and the President?

Ernst II. Ludwig, Duke of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg TM: It is highly unlikely that the 18th Century Bavarian Illuminati exists in any tangible form. From Weishaupt the mantle passed to JJC Bode, and after Bode died in Dec. 1793 the original Order seems to have vanished from history. Illuminist Duke Ernst II of Saxe-Gotha (1745-1804) - and his family afterwards - was the protector of Weishaupt for his entire life. The Duke had also inherited the papers of Bode. The House of Saxe-Gotha thus became the sole heir of all that was operational pertaining to the Illuminati. If the Illuminati had survived, it would be through the Royal House of Saxe-Gotha, later Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Duke Ernst II's direct descendants sit on the throne of England (they changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to the House of Windsor in 1917).

Perhaps the Illuminati morphed and became a purely aristocratic secret society, carrying on in a fashion akin to the Order of the Garter or the Order of the Golden Fleece. A great number of original members of the Illuminati also belonged to these same chivalric systems, so there are solid connections already. In this respect, it is not all that mysterious to contemplate hereditary perpetuation of a secret as dangerous as this. It may well have been the safest means to continue, making it very hard for outsiders to poke around thereafter. If this is the case then the original concept of Weishaupt's Illuminati may have coalesced and found a home within the more traditional knightly, "noble orders". Thus, "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" would be an acceptable description of reality.

MAD: Speaking of the President, you might have noticed that from both sides of the fake paradigm, controlled opposition election climate, we have Obama, Clinton, Edwards and Giuliani all showing fervent support for the protection and growth of Israel. Please tell me a little bit about your thoughts on how Zionism and Israel ties into this whole scenario, as well as how this might relate to Biblical prophecy, and corrupt racial superiority ideals in Hebrew texts such as the Talmud.

Candidates Court Israel

Obama-Strong Israel Supporter

TM: Not to downplay your question, but I'm against all "isms". Zionism, Talmudism, Kabbalism, Whahabism, Jesuitism, Illuminatism, Communism, Anarchism, Nihilism, Fabianism, Neo-conservatism, and Internationalism – even the more pleasant-sounding ones: they all represent a line drawn in the sand. Ideology is an excuse, the ultimate expression of which is cultism and zealotry.

Dialectics is what it's all about. Competing systems are necessary; if no opposite of an ideology is apparent, the reverse is manufactured accordingly. Of the pernicious isms mentioned above, they all stem from secret societies and are intended to divide the masses through social manipulation. "Ahh, you're a Jew – have I got something for you!" "Ooh, you're a Muslim – the Imam al-Ummah has something you need to hear!" "What, you're a disenfranchised worker, you hate your boss and think there is something inherently wrong with capitalism – come right this way and meet my friend named Marx!"

In the US and Canada, yes, the Jewish lobby is exceedingly influential. Politicians conciliate, rather than risk being tagged an anti-Semite – a fate worst than death. There's also a higher tier of control at work. "Political correctness" encompasses Zionist aspirations just as it does for other ostensibly disenfranchised groups. The PC business is a behemoth Orwellian control mechanism, touching the lives of everyone. The prosecution of Thought-crimes has the same effect whether it is initiated by the SS, the Inquisition or the ADL.

MAD: Are there any candidates you would vote for in 08, or does it seem that Voter Fraud is too rampant to even take American politics seriously anymore? Do you think there is ample evidence to prove that the elections were stolen in favor of Bush in both 00 and 04, and are they flaunting their power in front of our faces by having two Skull and Bones members (Bush/Kerry) as candidates in the last election?

TM: Well, I'm Canadian so that pretty much settles the question! If I were American and had a chance I would vote for any party beside the big two; maybe libertarian or independent, but definitely no to the Jackass or Elephant variety. If Ron Paul were to run I'd definitely give him a chance.

As for the last question, the answer is yes, and yes. Election fraud should be punishable by a penalty equivalent to murder. It is a crime that serious.

MAD: Pardon me for my next question but I have to bring it up. You also have a section on your website dedicated to UFO’s and cases of abductions, cattle mutilations and crop circles (which you state as being the most conjecture based information available). Briefly, what are some of your thoughts and theories on UFO phenomena? While I believe there is something to it all, I also think that at least half of the reports are hoaxes, and much of it is based largely on government techniques of psyops and propaganda, with a sprinkling of ‘New Age’ fairy dust.

TM: I'm glad you've brought this up. Though it is still accessible, the section has mostly remained dormant since 2001 (carried over from my Geocities days). I've received more than a few emails over the years admonishing me to forgo the "bunk," lest it discredit the rest of the site. I can see their point, and in many respects it is valid. However, those people who dismiss outright, or cringe at such study, probably never have experienced a single mystical or unexplained/paranormal occurrence. I've seen two UFOs in my life, and one of them was willed into existence – explicitly and clearly observed by myself and another for an extended period. It was an experiment, and it worked. This ties in directly with the occult; I was way in over my head with it at the time. When I look back on it now, the only explanation I can give is that it was a powerful demonstration of the validity of magick.

In general, my interest in UFOs is from the standpoint of comparative mythology, and in particular how it is similar to other phenomena of a paranormal/occult nature. I don't dwell on it too much anymore but then again strange things of an occult or paranormal nature haven't happened to me in quite some time. I'm actually going to redesign my site soon – when time permits – and I am seriously contemplating the deletion of (at least unlinking to) those archives entirely. I'm no Jacques Vallee or John Keel. And besides, Jeff Wells covers that area much better than I can.

MAD: What are some of your thoughts on the “Reptilian Agenda” that is popularly promoted by some authors today? What do you think of Sitchin, who helped to fuel this debate?

TM: Regarding bloodsucking, shapeshifting Alien Reptoids: I get emails from crazy people on a daily basis. I usually read it, chuckle, and carry on without a reply. I could make a quick buck if I ever decided to exploit them.

On Sitchin: Michael Heiser has said it much better and with greater authority than anyone on the entire planet:

MAD: You’ve got a lot of great audio and video downloads available at CONSPIRACY ARCHIVE. Are there any books/documentaries that you would specifically recommend to readers today?

TM: Though the works cited are authoritative, this is not meant to be an exhaustive list. The subjects themselves reflect my own taste and areas of interest.

Bavarian Illuminati: Forestier, Les Illuminés de Bavière et la franc-maçonnerie allemande (si vous parle français) or Vol. 3 and 4 of Barruel's Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism.

Freemasonry: I would recommend scholarly research by Masons themselves. Seek out old copies of Ars Quatuor Coronatorum on eBay or Abebooks or even the Scottish Rite's The New Age Magazine. The former publication is coveted by historians and is of a quality equal to, in some cases surpassing that found in an academic journal. The Transactions of the Quatuor Coronati Lodge has traced the history, beliefs, practices and symbolism of Freemasonry and other occult groups with irrefutable accuracy. There are quite revealing things to be found in publications such as these.

Secret Societies and Occult Conspiracy: Charles William Heckethorn, Secret Societies of All Ages and Countries; Frances Yates, The Rosicrucian Enlightenment; Christopher McIntosh, The Rose Cross and the Age of Reason and his The Rosicrucians: The History, Mythology, and Rituals of an Esoteric Order; James Webb, The Occult Underground and The Occult Establishment.

Jewish mysticism, Kabbalah and Frankism: Gershom Scholem, Kabbalah his Sabbatai Sevi: The Mystical Messiah, 1626-1676 and his Major Trends in Jewish Mysticism; Jacob Katz, Jews and Freemasons in Europe 1723-1939; Arthur Mandel, Militant Messiah: Or, the Flight from the Ghetto: The Story of Jacob Frank the Frankist Movement; Marvin S. Antelman, To Eliminate the Opiate, Vol. I and II.

The Enlightenment (imperative to understanding the politics and beliefs of the modern western world): Reinhart Koselleck, Critique and Crises: Enlightenment and the Pathogenesis of Modern Society; Klaus Epstein, The Genesis of German Conservatism; R. R Palmer, The Age of the Democratic Revolution II; Richard Van Dulmen, The Society of the Enlightenment; Nicholas Till, Mozart and the Enlightenment; G. Adolph Koch, Republican Religion: The American Revolution and the Cult of Reason.

Revolutionary movements: James H. Billington, Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith; Elizabeth L. Eisenstein, The First Professional Revolutionist: Filippo Michele Buonarroti, 1761-1837; John Murray (trans.), Memoirs of the Secret Societies of the South of Italy, particularly the Carbonari; Nesta Webster, World Revolution and her Secret Societies and Subversive Movements.

Elite Social Control: Philip and Paul Collins, The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship; E. Michael Jones, Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control.

MAD: This has been a fascinating and informative discussion Terry, and again, thanks so much for giving me some time today, I really appreciate it. I’ll definitely keep checking out the Archive, and am looking forward to reading your new book. Here’s wishing you much success in the publication, and hope we can keep in touch as things just keep getting curiouser and curiouser. As we finish up, are there any other parts to the puzzle that you’d like to reveal today, and any special messages you’d like to give to our readers?

TM: Thanks for the opportunity. I haven't been in the Nwowatcher forums for awhile but if anyone has comments or questions I'd be happy to reply.