Icke Demystified
Chris White combines tenaciousness with a rare clarity of thought. Whether or not you agree with his opinions, his stance, or his motives, White’s particular brand of criticism is timely, perhaps even necessary.
I’ve never been involved with the so-called “truth movement.” My own awakening to the machinations of the elite occurred in the early 1990s. Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell and David Icke weren’t around back then (perhaps Maxwell was; toiling in obscurity somewhere). I was reading Gary Allen’s None Dare Call it Conspiracy and William T. Still’s New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, while listening to Wild Bill Cooper’s ‘Hour of the Time’ on a cheap short wave radio – before Waco, before the OKC bombing, and a decade before 9/11. However, at the same time I was also into Robert Anton Wilson, Michael Howard’s The Occult Conspiracy, John White’s theories of an imminent Pole Shift, Richard Noone’s Ice: the Ultimate Disaster, anything and everything on Nostradamus, John Anthony West’s Serpent in the Sky: The High Wisdom of Ancient Egypt and a plethora of “hidden history” proponents. I took these various authors with a grain of salt; cautiously sceptical, until further investigation.
It’s the latter milieu that resonates with the material David Icke is known for: a curious and confusing fence-straddling which acknowledges the conspiratorial hidden hand of history while at the same time somewhat admiring much of its core doctrine.
Obvious to point out is the fact that knowledge is inherently neither good nor evil. However, from the Christian stance of Chris White, there are certain teachings – and the practical application thereof – which are disconcerting to say the least. Instead of flirting with, even promoting the doctrine found within the (Blavatsky/Bailey) theosophical strain of western esotericism, White feels, rather – as do I – that it should be discredited or shown for what it is.
The word “debunk” is an unsettling word. And for the true critical thinker it has long since become unpalatable. It immediately brings to mind argumentative and dogmatic sceptics; the high-horsed, self-professed know-it-alls; the Michael Shermers and James Randis of the world. And besides: a debunking can be construed as a ridiculing. Perhaps another title for the documentary would have been recommended. (Ironically, Michael Barkun – the academic conspiracy theory debunker – fittingly described Icke as a “New Age Conspiracist.”)
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David Icke Debunked
Tags: Alice Bailey, Ascended Masters, Chris White, David Icke, Mysteries, New Age, New World Order, Secret Chiefs, Theosophy, Videos
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December 19th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
White has his facts messed up on early Christianity at 1:25:00. Rome didn’t force images on everyone: images were made in the 2nd and 3rd century and are found frofusely in the catacombs. Halos are an image of the “light” presented in the Transfiguration and like what Moses experienced when coming down from Sinai.
December 20th, 2010 at 3:28 am
Whenever someone comes out with Truths or points of view that buck the system and when a large group of listeners are catching on ….there must be someone who will try and divert the inertia by discrediting the speaker. The Debunkers are not advocating physical removal of the speaker but do all to try and prevent his ideas from taking hold on the minds of the sheep who used to be in conventional flocks. To drive the sheep back in the fold is the objective, to cast doubt and divert abandonment of prior memes that controlled them. New thoughts then must be removed of their power. The system of control and the thoughts that are their tools must serve to keep the people compliant and working for the status quo. The minds of men are the prize that all who atempt to govern will capture by any means necessary. Words are tools they are physical manifestation of thought forms created to influence and control.
David Icke is bucking the system and clever men attempt to derail the progress he is making. One must ask though…if the old system worked so well …. why have not wars, poverty, and exploitation not ceased. There must be new thinking to to allow mankind to evolve. This evolvement is something some do not want and they will attempt to derail the progress that is happening now. Worship no Gods because You are part of God. God is not outside you. The age of Pices is ending, the Age of Aquarius is beginning. The old controlling thought forms are fading now because man questions and his consciousness raises, awareness raises and the old system of control fades away because it does not work on those who have evolved. It is now not so easy to control the minds of men who see higher planes that can be attained. Planet Earth, a prison house of deluded souls, is raising in vibration. Let the insane ones evolve on another world where they can steal from each other and war upon each other for eternity until they wake up. This world is destined to evolve and there is no stopping that process even by clever men.
December 20th, 2010 at 5:00 am
@ RCOOSES
I agree with you great post
;-*
December 21st, 2010 at 5:10 pm
@rcoones Its pretty obvious you didnt see the video, because it actually explains the origins of the belief system that you just demonstrated to us that you have. And if you had seen it I doubt you would have said what you did.
The point of the video is less about David Icke and more about how what you have said (coming spiritual enlightenment etc) is the ONE thing that the NWO system needs us to believe in order to implement the real control grid. Icke is simply an easy way to demonstrate how this idea works. Please, if you cant sit through the full 2.5 hours just watch the last hour and you will see what I mean. you can also contact me if you have any questions nowheretorun1984@gmail.com
December 22nd, 2010 at 12:59 am
@rcoones your message does leave the impression that you skipped the video completely.
the man evolving into god’s new age luciferian paradigm is identical to the religion of both david icke & illuminati controlled Jesus Christ rejecting hollywood.
does it not give you pause to realize that your worldview is identical to the majority of disney cartoons?
December 22nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm
I agree Chris White’s criticism is absolutely necessary, but I wish he would do it in a constructive way. I know Icke is full of contradictions and has lots of facts wrong, but like Alex Jones and Peter Joseph (Zeitgeist), he has woken a lot of people around the world too. So instead of using inquisitorial techniques to “demonize” these people, White should keep his religious bias private, and make his presentations reachable to a broader audience, leaving out the catholic luciferian myth, and focus specifically in showing the mistakes these conspiracy theorists make. This way we can all get a step closer to the truth regardless of religious background. I personally think he is a very prominent communicator and has a lot contribute, but his fundamentalists’ views are obstructing his progress.
December 22nd, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Nice video as always Chris. Glad someone out there has dedicated his time to fighting the occult infiltration of the truth movement. Too bad the diehard Icke followers and Zeitgeist nuts will likely just ignore your critique to their own peril.
December 23rd, 2010 at 4:18 am
Just added it to the huge list of conspiracy documentaries
mediafire.com/?17e4u55g4yj4g1j
Nice work Chris!
December 23rd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
@ Chris, Congratulations Chris you’re a fundementalist lol!!!!
A very straight forward Documentary of the topsy turvy, weird,twisted and misguided mind of one of the worlds top newagers. It’s a straight arrow into the beast this Film so there is no punches pulled here.
@ Franco: Asking Christians to keep their faith refined to their private lives is like asking the grass not to grow. Can’t be done,(unless someone imposes) Besides, it’s not like Chris is calling for the removal of anyones head or beating people up with a Bible, it’s an honest look at Icke and his world view.The documentary also asks for the viewer is to have compassion for an obviously confused and lonely soul.
Being a public platform, People are entitled to free speech,so i don’t see any need for people to leave their religion in their homes. If what you advised was a universally accepted opinion and practice then we wouldn’t know about the likes of the NWO, because they’d be no public platform to throw it from. Having all of the world beliefes out in the open can only be good in the long run.
If someone can’t Stomach this documentary because it has ” religious ” elements then i’d like to know how it is they sit through hundreds of hours of NWO stuff as that also is covered and drenched with religious content.
This documentary is well worth the time. Switch off the phone, turn down the lights and ready yourself for an A-1 Schooling on thee inner workings of the lizard man!
December 25th, 2010 at 12:08 am
Just listening to David Icke try to explain crop circles left me shaking my head with disbelief but also wonderment.
Wonderment, because for all his utter nonsense he is taken so seriously by so many people. It truly boggles the mind at the deception that is going on, a deception mind you, filled with some truth here and there just to give it some credibility.
Thank you for a very informative video. I was planning on doing some criticism of this man as well given how totally ludicrous his explanation of those crop circles were.
Cheers
Jerry
December 26th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Well done Christ White. Having escaped from the Bailey world, i know their theosophy inside and out, and Icke, is a Theosophist, the very thing he lambastes. He follows the Master R, who “speaks” to him. Well, that’s theosophy and their GWB.
Keep the vids coming Chris.
December 29th, 2010 at 12:22 am
Thanks for your list, Lex, and thanks, Franco, Ross and Red, for the fine words of yours.
“The word ‘debunk’ is an unsettling word. [...] It immediately brings to mind argumentative and dogmatic sceptics – the high-horsed, self-professed know-it-alls.”
Slowly it’s time, I think, to start a substantial piety check of “the true critical thinker” that Mr. Melanson claims to want to be … as well as of Henry Makow, Ken Adachi and others. Because “a conspiracy so monstrous” – who doesn’t know the line – isn’t one, obviously. And how can a “conspiracy” be monolithic?! It simply doesn’t fit nor work.
Belief systems can be iron, and that as much as the curtain was, for instance, by which the world has been separated into hostile hemispheres for about four decades (until the PC web was arising). Therefore, “playing with pieties” or so should be the name of the game is what I believe (in the most critical thinking way that I’m capable of) – nothing less.
January 6th, 2011 at 6:38 am
How on earth could anyone conflate Melanson with Makow and Adachi?
Bizzarre.
I think that Tsarion/Icke et al….[although I have enjoyed much of tsarion and used it as research-promting material - i like the idea of pre-historic irealnd.......! ] are hopelessly out of their depths…….in most ways. Especially Maxwelll who is just stupendously odd and amazingly clumsy esp when it comes to Christianity…..Mind you , that’s endemic…..
All of it is a distraction from the much more mundane reality of the banking families from whence most of this new age mish-mash appears to originate…….if you’re too busy with all this esoteric and occult nonsense, you’ll never watch the money masters or money as debt, and you will be effectively useless in helping others to see what is happening to them…..
Because they will think that you are a fruit loop.
It’s all far more mundane than anyone can believe……..
Whether or not Spartacus W said these things below matters not…they stand as
very funny insights into the merry dance of confusion that is being conducted by the pied pipers of the new age…..
‘Of all the means I know to lead men, the most effectual is a concealed mystery.’
Adam Weishaupt
‘Oh mortal man, is there anything you cannot be made to believe?’
Adam Weishaupt
January 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 am
I don’t believe in all that stuff any way lets quit fallowing the system and start listening to our maker we know what is write from wrong we new this the day we were born our maker gifted all with this awareness so lets be more aware of his presence in our lives and stop believing in the lies they feed us to control and the ages by there false arcana!
February 9th, 2011 at 1:37 am
@ Franco: Had not the Christians John Knox, Martin Luther, John Calvin and a host of other Christian reformers spoken out about REAL Christianity and its freedoms, you nor anybody else would be enjoying the freedoms and political liberty you obviously take for granted today. Most people today, particularly the New Age-ers, do not have an adequate conception of the absolute evil from which the reformation freed humanity, nor the abundant good with which it ushered in. Freedom of conscience, speech, political liberty, education and private ownership are but a few of the freedoms which our Christian forefathers secured for yourself and the rest of us in the western world, often time with their blood on the battle field…. If you do not wish to observe the Bible that is totally fine, but to ask those of us who are familiar with its fundamental importance in building the western nations to zip our lips and “keep it personal”, I sdoing the truth movement a grave disservice. For throughout history, the Bible has been the ONLY thorn in the NWO’s side.
February 21st, 2011 at 7:13 pm
@ Shan: Protestants were fond of witch hunting too, so I suggest you take your research a little further.