Venus Project’s Jacque Fresco Cavorting with the New World Order Elite
See also:
- The Earth Charter and the Ark of the Gaia Covenant;
- The Facade of “Global Salvationism”;
- Zeitgeist Addendum: Toward a Technocratic, Communitarian, Cybernated Society
- and “Gorbachev” serach on conspiracyarchive.com
Tags: Earth Charter, Ervin Laszlo, Jacque Fresco, Venus Project, Videos, Zeitgeist
PERFECTIBILISTS: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati
The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship
Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism
Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith
America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones
November 2nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Extremely interesting, although I think that the video’s conclusion is something of a non sequitur. While Fresco is probably working to curry favor with globalist enclaves that routinely network within the United Nations infrastructure, it does not necessarily follow that the Venus Project is a “UN Front.” One would have to show direct UN funding of the Venus Project. Heretofore, all we know is that Fresco is lobbying for UN funding, which is compelling, but inconclusive.
That being said, the video does raise some very important points. First, it establishes the milieu that technocratic ideologues like Fresco are steeped in. Evidently, some folks at the UN must share at least a few of Fresco’s ideological propensities. They may even entertain some of the Venus Project’s initiatives.
Secondly, the video does an excellent job of revealing the sort of individuals that Fresco either associates with or hopes to associate with, namely Ervin Laszlo and Gorbachev. While one could reasonably argue that these are tenuous ties, I tend to agree with the aphorism of Miguel De Cervantes in Don Quixote: “Tell me what company thou keepest, and I’ll tell thee what thou art.” In other words, Fresco cavorts with elitist because he aspires to become one. At the very least, Fresco’s thinking is being informed by very dubious parties and vice versa.
Thirdly, the video does a great job demonstrating the transparently duplicitous nature of those affiliated with the Venus Project. Roxanne Meadows consistently contradicts herself, which is hardly surprising. Fresco is equally duplicitous.
As Paul and I pointed out in our article, “Automated Opposition: The Technocratic Undercurrent of Zeitgeist: Addendum,” Fresco rejects the appellation of “technocrat,” but was a member of Technocracy Incorporated for many years. His promotion of a “resource-based economy” is virtually identical to the economic model promoted by fellow technocrat Harold Loeb. In view of these facts, the denouncements that Fresco makes of “technical elitism” in “Zeitgeist Addendum” are transparently disingenuous.
At any rate, I am rambling. Sorry. It’s an annoying habit of mine.
Great find, Terry! It is definitely making me consider a follow-up to our article over “Zeitgeist: Addendum.”
Phil
P.S. I am reading through PERFECTIBILISTS for the second time and found an absolutely fascinating citation concerning Weishaupt’s view of history. As you astutely observe, Weishaupt advanced a three-stage periodization of history… just like Joachim of Flora! Joachim’s Trinitarian eschatology was the precursor to several three-stage models of history. It foreshadowed the encyclopedist and humanistic three-stage division of history into ancient, medieval and modern eras.
August Comte, the chief disciple of Saint-Simon and an early proponent of technocratic governance, presented a variation of this Trinitarian framework with his division of history into theological, metaphysical, and scientific phases.
Hegel did likewise, positing a dialectic of the three stages of freedom and self-reflective spiritual fulfillment. Marx and Hitler, who the late Antony Sutton identified as philosophical Hegelians, also divided history into a sequence of three ages. The Marxian dialectic presented the three states of primitive communism, class society, and final Communism. National Socialism followed suit, advancing the racialist Utopian vision of a Third Reich.
And, interestingly enough, Alvin Toffler, one of Newt Gingrich’s chief inspirations, also advanced a three-stage model of history.
Sorry, I’ll get to my question… Do you know if Weishaupt was influenced directly or indirectly by the work of Joachim? Given the fact that he advanced a similar model of history, it would appear as though he was exposed to some of Joachim’s ideas.
November 3rd, 2010 at 12:47 am
The concept of a cybernated society, I think, is the key to understanding the Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement. Check this link out. These cybernetic and ’systems theory’ experts converge in groups such as the Club of Rome and the Club of Budapest, which include the Maurice Strongs, Gorbachevs, Ehrlichs, Pecceis, and Laszlos of the world. If you read the page I linked to (from a 1968 book by Henry Winthrop), with the list of things a cybernated society would need; points one, two, and three are repeatedly stressed in the Zeitgeist movies and the theories of Fresco. It is blatantly obvious. Curiously, too, in the Feb. 1970 American Sociological Review, there’s a review and summarization of the book. The reviewer is unabashed when he states: “The central objective [of the book], as I reconstruct it, is to develop a rationale for a ruling elite based on intelligence, to chosen by euthenics or created by eugenics.”
I’m not sure what influenced Weishaupt’s triadic philosophy of history, and I haven’t come across any references to Flora. Hermeticists, alchemists, theosophers, Rosicrucians and utopians have always maintained there was something perennial about triadicity, and it creeps up often in philosophy.
November 3rd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Outstanding work, Terry! I was thoroughly unfamiliar with the concept of a cybernated society until you pointed it out. Indeed, the paralles between it and the Venus Project are striking. I am going to put Winthrop’s book on order with the Interlibrary Loan system. That source will, no doubt, prove indispensable in my work.
Point two echoed Henry Loeb’s emphasis upon comprehensive social and economic planning, although it appears that Winthrop’s normative vantage point of that concept exhibits a few points of departure.
Do you know if Winthrop was influenced by any Comtean ideas?
November 4th, 2010 at 2:20 am
Don’t know anything about this Winthrop character. It might be worthwhile to go through the book, find out where his ideas came from, whom he associated with, and his or their subsequent influence in cybernetics and systems theory. It is all really just descended from the technocratic sociological mindset, but there are certain phrases and ideas propagated amongst themselves, that should be noted and followed up on.
It’s something I haven’t done yet, but becoming competent on these subjects has potential to greatly widen the scope of research.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:32 am
Hey Phillip and Terry, regarding the question of potential sources for Weishaupt’s apparently Joachim of Flora inspired eschatology you might want to check out pages 236-247 of the book “Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition” by Glenn Alexander Magee. You can read at least a bit of it at the following link:
http://tinyurl.com/2u4aogv
The author traces the influence of Joachim on mystic Reformers, Rosicrucians, the Swabian Peitists, Jacob Bohme (1575-1624), Johann Albrecht Bengel (1687-1752), Oetinger (1702-1782) and eventually Hegel (1770-1831). He points out that Joachim’s theories experienced a resurgence with some Protestants during the Reformation and points out the strong influence of these theories on the radical milieu, especially in Germany. It is possible that this might have influenced Weishaupt. After all, he lived in Germany and was an avid reader. Then again he also hated mysticism and the Joachimite influence seems to have traveled largely through mystic currents. Regardless the possibly is there.
Frankly, Magee should start giving me a percentage of his sales, this is the second time I’ve shilled his book in the last 24 hours (I pushed it on Jay Dyer’s page just yesterday)
Are either of you guys aware of the similarities between the Larouche movement and Technocratic movements like Zeitgeist and the Venus Project? Larouche’s group also prepossess scientific utopian and the notion of evolutionary leaps stemming from Earth’s passage through the galactic plane. Though I appreciate Larouche’s critiques of mechanistic materialism, atheism, Darwinism, anthropogenic global warming, anti-industrialism, liberalism and modern economic theory the similarity of his organization to these other movements raises some red flags with me.
November 8th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
The Magee book is really something else. I have it here but haven’t read it in a while.
When I said that I haven’t come across any references to Fiore, I meant in the writings of the Illuminati. Weishaupt doesn’t mention him, and no initiate has acknowledged him through an alias or nom de guerre. If he’s a part of the chiliast millieu, then there is the possibility of influence - perhaps by way of Christian Wolff or Leibniz.
November 8th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Ross,
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
This source will come in very useful in the completion of our new book! Yes, I have actually been able to work on it lately. Hopefully, covering winter sports will not get in the way.
November 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
No problem Phillip. As Terry said Magee’s book is indeed something else! Can’t wait for the new book! Good luck in your coverage of winter sports!
January 11th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Having met Jacque Fresco through close friends, the idea that Jacque is anything other than a compassionate humanitarian is preposterous. I know that many of Jacques earlier earth saving inventions were taken by various corporations and governments and turned into weapons of mass destruction. That is exactly why he started his own foundation. He is dealing with visionary ideas and concepts that require the support of global leaders irregardless of their affiliations and there is so much political intrigue behind all of these major organizations, it is impossible to know the motives, the connections or the ultimate agenda of each individual. Since his youth, Jacques main goal has been to heal the earth and create non-polluting cities that sensibly utilize resources as opposed to agendas built on power and greed that create crime and poverty. It is typical of anyone who exhibits such far ranging genius to be criticized and discredited. I have witnessed the heart and soul of this extraordinary man. He does not deserve such foolish, destructive criticism. He has offered the world sound solutions that do nothing but benefit mankind and everyone needs to hear them - no matter their political affiliation. I don’t know of another human being that has created so much extraordinary brilliance in so many disciplines who still maintains a heart of compassion.
January 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Il be honest and say I have only seen a short interview on RT news about this Venus project and about 3 weeks ago I might have been all for it.I myself for
A long time was developing an “alternative system” until I cane across ayn rand.I have since scoped the net to see how people in the “truth” movement perceive her and it is interesting that there is a moreso majority view by them that she is evil and illuminati all over.folks I really truly beleve this conspiracy is bigger then what it first appears and it will not be solved on merley “good intentions” sold on the philosophical selling point of collectivism ( which is the base foundation of all totalitarian fronts like communism,fascism etc ) and simply all loving reach other.rand was a novelist/philosopher who escaped commie Russia and also beleved in a conspiracy but not in the organized “stystamatic” way we do.she herself said,when questioned, that she had not heard of the illuminati but beleved it was mans perception of reality and implanted morality system through out history that created the bloodbath of history,also that the opressers (like the world council in her first novel anthem) had the knowledge of mans identity,his true nature,which is how they manipulated mans sense of self.her books both fiction and non fiction focus on the individual and his mind,attaining knowledge and fnding inner peace through the manipulated perception of reality implanted in us.trust me I could write a book myself on this and how it relates today,she was on to seething BIG.there is an even more sinister twist in this story,the fact one member on davidicke.com stated in question to a deeper plot ” a conspiracy inside a conspiracy? Lol don’t make me laugh” this is ,is it not,the same new jerk reaction and automatic response the “sheep” have. I’ve skimmed thru some comments on here and your getting close,or at least hitting certain points in what I could get into.Il leave it you to look into it yourselves ,check ayn rands “anthem” to begin with,it is interestingly a simple fiction story and then hit some of her non fictions books on her philosophy objectivism.dnt go by wikipedia ,google results etc etc because u need to read it for yourself to understand what level she was on and that’s if u don’t instantly reject it before digesting everything.my personal conclusion? The conspiracy folks is not just spiritual but philosophical ,once u relise this re read everything about the illuminati of 1776 and Weishaupt and suddenly it might just hit you .the new world order is a smear code name for infact,the old world order .
March 10th, 2011 at 7:30 am
I wouldn’t post here, but DogPoet chimed in with his own discussion of Jacque Fresco’s ideas, so I posted a comment there as an anonymous. It will most probably not be visible to visitors (after being reviewed by DogPoet; I’ll eat my non-existing hat if it does), so I thought it would be interesting to present its points here as well.
DogPoet’s post:
http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2011/03/jacque-fresco-on-behalf-of-humanity-i_08.html
Copy of my comment…
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“Jacque Fresco, on Behalf of Humanity; I Call him Friend.”
Ooops… that was a terrible slip up, if I ever saw one. But I guess people just have to reveal their true selves sooner or later. It merely takes some patient waiting, eh?
“I am myself working for ‘a’ new world order.”
Why ‘a’ under quotation marks? Do you mean to say that you work for THE new world order?
As a ‘former’ Mason, you must know the power of words, and that their true meanings are not always what ordinary people think they are. I think too highly of you to even consider this as an accidental mistake. You knew what you wanted to say, and you said it. Touched-moved, as they say in chess. No going back on your own words now.
“Visit the Venus Project.”
Don’t mind if I do. Let’s see what we can find there…
http://www.thevenusproject.com/technology/city-systems
Hmmm….
Under the title ‘Cybernated Government’ we can find that Fresco believes that people are just too stupid to think for themselves, and that computerized systems should take complete control over everything, and decide what’s ‘best’ for humans… by means of distributing resources… presumably ‘human resources’ as well.
Do you agree with the words of your friend? After all, isn’t that The Grand Plan Masons have been trying to accomplish for so long?
Also, is it true what they say about Masons? That they’re like CIA? You know the saying?
“Once CIA, always CIA”?
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March 10th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Well, my first non-existing hat has just got eaten. The comment was approved by DogPoet. I’m still not finished, however, and I have plenty of more non-existing hats to eat, so let’s see if this will be just a quick snack or a full lunch.
It’s been 30 minutes since I posted my second comment, and it’s till not approved by DogPoet. Since it took him less than 30 minutes to approve the first one, I think I’ve given him fair time to review (and approve, which didn’t happen) the second one.
Copy of the second comment posted at DogPoet’s blog:
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No, I’m not coming back as someone else. My post about Venus Project and your friend’s ideas was the first one I have ever posted on your blog. Ever. But, I can’t prove it, so why bother trying?
You say I’m not very bright, and you say that after I told you how much I respect you? What kind of talk is that? Don’t you have any respect for your adversary? Masons are known for having no respect for any human being, so I guess you still really are a Mason.
But some clarifications are in order first.
I respect you because you know how to do your job. You are extremely persuasive, and I wasn’t sure about your intentions (even though I’ve been following your blog for a couple of years) until you related yourself to Fresco. A terrible blunder, I must say, but the rabbit is now in the open, and there’s no hole to hide in.
I also respect you for knowing the usual tricks to deride a point. You have obviously been trained by some who knows the stuff, and I always respect trained people, regardless of their origins.
Now let’s get back to the real point of my post - do you, or do you not, agree with your friend’s words that people are just too stupid to think for themselves, and that computers should do all the thinking for them.
I also dare you to approve this comment.
If you do, you will show your (perceived) strength. If you don’t, we (all of the people who are now eavesdropping on this conversation invisible until the comment is approved) will know you can be defeated incredibly easily in a fair fight (which is not your kind of a fight, I suppose, but you can prove me wrong).
And once again, just in case you’ve already forgotten my question - do you agree with your friend’s words?
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March 10th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Wow, that DogPoet guy is really good. He did the only possible thing he could do - completely ignored my question to him, AND IMMEDIATELY wrote another blog post… to cover the old one, of course.
Yep, my second comment has definitely hit some sensitive nerves, which I will have to take as a proof for most of my statements about him, his training, and his Masonic involvement in the Grand Plan (aka Grand Design, or G for short) to put all people under computerized control. All in accordance with the words of his very dear friend Jacque Fresco.
It’s always interesting to see things get revealed, but I honestly didn’t expect DogPoet to cave in so easily.
A quick snack it is then.
Thanks for letting me say what I had to say. This blog will be very useful for future references.
March 26th, 2011 at 8:07 am
Phillip D. Collins - “One would have to show direct UN funding of the Venus Project.”
Not so. Plenty of people, especially those who already have as much money as they need, do things for power. Some people even do things for the mere PROMISE of POWER or promises of any of a range of material reward. One thing it seems like the NWO manipulates people into their service with, is the promise of it’s protection of their family, especially their young.
So, really, the implications of Jacques Fresco begging up some NWO/UN cash are not so easily dismissed.
March 26th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Phil Collins - “In other words, Fresco cavorts with elitist because he aspires to become one. ”
I found a video on youtube, of Fresco, back in the 70s, being interviewed on Larry King’s show. So, I’m pretty sure you’re off by some 40 or 50 years with your projection of Fresco aspiring to be amongst the elite.