PERFECTIBILISTS: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati, by Terry Melanson
The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship, by Paul & Phillip Collins
Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism, by Abbe Barruel
Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith, by James H. Billington
America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones, by Antony C. Sutton
December 12th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Really scraping the scum from the bottom of the barrel now, aren’t you?
The filthy rich hereditary lord who lied about having to sell his mansion to pay out the prize to a game he was selling (when he had made a tidy profit), who thinks anyone HIV positive should be arrested and interred, and more recently called a Jewish activist in Copenhagen “Hitler Youth.”
This is the type of elitist scumbag pied piper who is leading the rest of the world into extinction. His type want, no need, a drastic reduction in population in order to guarantee their access to dwindling resources.
December 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Listen buddy, I’m sure you’re a true believer when it comes to the man made global warming thing (I once was myself) but there are some things you need to understand. First off regarding Monckton; simply being a hereditary Lord (regardless of what we may think about the system of aristocracy) does not automatically invalidate one’s argument, so your pointing out of his position is, merely, a straw-man, entirely irrelevant to this whole discourse. If the support of an aristocrat was all that was required to render an opinion illegitimate then “your side” would suffer a greater compromise than ours. Prince Philip Mountbatten, Prince Charles, Queen Beatrix, the late Prince Bernhard, the Rothschild dynasty, all these are far more lofty and wealthy aristocrats than Monckton. The list could go on and on.
Yeah, Monckton made some rather totalitarian suggestions during the height of the A.I.D.S scare, (which, to the best of my knowledge, he has since recanted) but if that undermines his argument, what about “your side’s” frequent advocacy of a draconian birth control policy, in imitation of China’s tyrannic system of forced abortions? (Which even Pro-Choice advocates cannot logically back, since no choice is involved) You could try and argue that such suggestions come from a legitimate concern over the perceived dangers of overpopulation but wasn’t Monckton’s questionable suggestion born out of a concern to stop the spread of a terrible lethal, incurable plague? Neither of these ideas have a place in a free and democratic society. The only difference is Monckton no longer calls for A.I.D.S detainment camps but many global warming alarmist still frequently call for forced population control.
As to his calling a Jewish “activist” a Hitler Youth, why don’t you explain things in their proper context. Monckton was making a speech (whether you agree with him or not I’m assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that you do at least believe in freedom of speech) when these young “activists” stormed in, chanting mindless slogans in an attempt to interrupt him, simply because his claims were contrary to their own. If you disagree with someone, challenge them to a fair and open debate, don’t attempt to suppress their ability to speak freely. Also, he didn’t know the guy was Jewish when he said that, so it wasn’t some attempt to offend Jews, which is how you’re trying to present it. Of course, when he found out, he still didn’t take back calling the kid a “Hitler Youth”, nor should he have. Just being Jewish doesn’t give you a free ticket from criticism when you act like a Fascist. Once again remember that many of the supporters of the Green movement, are not only aristocrats and elite billionaires but aristocrats and elite billionaires with ties to the real, historical Nazis. The Rockefeller family are big proponents of climate change activism and sold oil to the Nazi’s during the war, they also funded eugenics in both the U.S.A and Nazi Germany. Prince Philip’s family were one time Nazi sympathizers. Prince Bernhard, was a member of the S.S and sat on the board of I.G Farben, the company that made the gas used to kill people in the Nazi concentration camps and he later funded anti-apartheid mercenaries in South African, through money he funneled through his environmental front organization the WWF. Not only does this put the leaders of your movement closer to the Nazis than Monckton, it also makes them sleazier than some guy who lied about having to sell his mansion.
In closing, I just want to say that I am not a radical libertarian. I believe there should be a certain reasonable degree of government regulation on corporations to make sure we aren’t sold poison labeled “yummy candy.” I’m not some fool who doesn’t believe in the reality of corporations polluting the environment, obviously poisons are dumped into the oceans and atmosphere all the time and these are things that should be stopped, however I think you need to take a look at the people behind your own movement. The same wealthy families and organizations that backed the pseudo-science of eugenics in the first part of the 20th century were forced, (after public revelation of Nazi death camps disgraced their movement) to cover their actions under the mask of some other form of activism. They chose environmentalism. This doesn’t mean that caring about the environment is bad, it merely means the movement was co-opted by distasteful people. Proof that their goal (the depopulation of “inferior” peoples) preceded any of the science, should be evident from the fact that, enviro-scientist like John Holdren, first called for draconian birth control on the grounds that it would lead to global cooling, then later switched it to global warming. How could he have gotten things so wrong the first time? Obviously only the agenda was important not the science. Follow the money and you will find the Rockefellers and other eugenics loving Robber Barron behind organizations like the Club of Rome. They don’t care about carbon footprints, they want to de-industrialize the prosperous West to starve out the Third World poor, who they think of as “untermensch” and they want to destroy the Western middle class, who they think can challenge their power.
Now, it may be that I have failed to convince you, it may even be that you know all this and are actually a supporter of elitism and eugenics. If this is the case here’s a message, if not, please cheerfully ignore this next part. You will not win! All of us, who have caught onto your plans will fight you and yours to our very last breath and final drop of blood! God is the runner of History not megalomaniac tyrants and you will join Hitler, Stalin and every other dictator on the ash-heap of infamy! Good day!
December 13th, 2009 at 3:00 am
Nice rant, buddy, but I’m not on anyone’s “side.” I find Monckton to be an entirely distasteful individual who devalues whichever argument he chooses to be onside with.
You make some fine points and I wouldn’t argue with too much of it, other than perhaps the statement that AIDS is an incurable disease. I am working closely with a doctor who successfully treats cancer and AIDS and many other man-made and naturally occuring diseases, however he has been forced underground by Pfizer among others because he is actually cures people, which means that they are not beholden to him or a drug company for the rest of their shortened life.
You mention families, and in the “Hidden Hand” sense, yes, there are controlling master families, but their faces are the corporations that function in the areas of pharma, military/industrial, food/farming and petro/chemical. These are the elites that I think we would both agree are the enemies of free thought, speech and action. Mockton is merely a peerage pimple.
I can’t, however agree that the climate threat is a myth. For the first time in history, we are in a position to affect the climate of our home, either negatively or positively. As individuals we can make a difference. Every solar cell on a roof, windmill in a backyard, efficient car, turning out the lights, so many individual acts rob the multis of a slim profit. These small acts can both cripple the working model of the greedy, and positively affect the climate of our home. The Inuit will thank you if they can continue to hunt seals and polar bears.
We are living on a planet that tends to have a 100,000 year “ice-age” cycle, with 90,000 years of ice and 10-20000 years of relative warmth. There are conflicting reasons for the causes, but one theory explains that the glaciers grind down rock into colloidal mineral dust and distribute it over vast tracts of frozen land. When the atmosphere warms again and the ice retreats, the earth has been fertilized which leads to an abundant regrowth of vegetation and a “healthy” atmosphere. Once this mineral supply has been exhausted, as it has in our time, the “greenhouse” gases build up due to poor quality (lack of biodiversity/forest fires) of vegetation and barren land. This leads to the next period of glaciation. As I said, this is probably the first time in human history when we have been actively involved in either bringing on or delaying the next ice age. To be clear: global warming is the precursor to global freezing. We can either buy a warm parka and learn to cut igloos or we little people can do our part.
How much can we do about the footprint of the Iraq war, for example? The fossil fuels being expended in order to ensure access to future fossil fuels and the damages it is doing to our air is astronomical. If the American and British public and politicians had half a brain between them this folly never would have taken place and there would be millions more people living in their homes tonight. Then again, when a house has been blown up, there is no light-bub to turn off at the end of the day……
Lastly you say that God is the runner of history. An odd statement on its own,and hardly backed up by what follows. Setting aside your rather rude association of myself with histories worst after a 4 sentence response from me, I can probably safely assume the God you are referring to and praying to is the Judeo-Christian flavour. In this particular myth, man has been given stewardship of the earth and all of its flora and fauna. I would have to say that based on that responsibility, you and yours have utterly failed your God and royally fucked up the task. There is no do-over. This is it. We either get it right, or meet our maker, whatever He/She/It looks like.
God doesn’t run history. We do. Whatever we have been gifted by whomever put us here is ours to cherish or trample. I for one am eternally grateful for the beauty and abundance of my home and I endeavor to inflict as little lasting damage as possible. Let the “Masters of the Universe” live in fear and tyranny. It sounds to me like you play in that game.
December 13th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Terry, while considering further ammo against above, pro-”global salvationist” poster Mescalero, I thought back to an old Fortean Times article I once read on a New Age channeling circle/s called “The Council of Nine” or just “The Nine.” Here’s a link: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/council_of_nine_fortean.htm
According to this article, these supposed channeled entities, who claimed to be the Ennead, the Nine Primal Gods of Egypt, held at least some influence over many of the world’s political and scientific elite. Amongst these elite persons, allegedly, was none other than arch climate eschatologist, Al Gore. The article also stated that the Nine explained that all humans had some portion of divine alien seed in them, save the black race. Here, is yet another example of the New Age preoccupation with racism, going straight back through the Nazi Thule Society to Blavatsky’s Aryan worship. It also calls to mind Constance Cumbey’s research, which reveals the New Age obsession with depopulating ‘Mother Earth’, an opinion they share with many of their secular environmental brethren as well. Assuming the veracity of the Fortean Times article, it isn’t altogether “out there” to suggest that Gore’s campaign might be informed by the New Age, racist death cult. This might explain carbon restriction schemes, seemingly designed to starve the human inhabitants of African continent to death.
Apparently, Gore’s connection to the New Age is not limited to his flirtation with “The Nine.” In the early 80’s, he studied Neuro-Linguistic programing under John B. Alexander, who was the basis for Jeff Bridges’ character in “The Men Who Stare At Goats.” Or so we are told in Alexander’s bio entry on this web page:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/hambone_info/People.html
Gore, also one co-sponsored a bill to direct funding towards a New Age organization called The National Committee on Human Resources. And of course, Philip Collins already covered the spiritual character of Gore’s beliefs in his excellent article on your page some a few years back.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Environmentalism.htm
Anyway, long time getting to the point here, have you (or any one else out there reading this) ever encountered any info showing any recent involvement with this Council of Nine circle and the current environmentalist campaign?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Gore’s in the thick of the new age. All of them are. There is no real distinction between the new age and the green movement. They are inextricably linked. One of the links that I included in the Salvationism article pretty well sums it up: THE WORLD COMMISSION ON GLOBAL CONSCIOUSNESS & SPIRITUALITY. It’s an extended network of the Club of Budapest’s World Wisdom Council (WWC). All the major new-age/environmental/transformational/change-agent players are there - working as one. From new age grandmistress “one-fourth of humanity must be eliminated…we are the riders of the pale horse, Death” Barbara Marx Hubbard, to Oprah’s gurus Marianne Williamson and Chopra; to Gore and Gorbachev and Club of Rome head Prince Hassan of Jordan, and everyone of significance in between.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:19 am
Are you guys afraid to post my response? Typical………
December 14th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Caught it. You used a typical red flag keyword - “Pfizer” - so Askimet spam catcher put it in the spam bin - out of sight out of mind. As you know, there are all kinds of people hawking drugs online. Unless you had protested then I wouldn’t have even known it was there. Ross has had a few of his posts ending up there as well.
(I have hand-approved it, and it appears above as it would have, within the timeline)
December 14th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I’ve perused the comments that you have posted over the last year or so. They all have one thing in common: it is to voice what you think is wrong with the post, instead of saying “hey, good job.” Just thought I’d make you aware of the unmistakable pattern of negativity (it seems to hold with other comments you have posted on other blogs on the net as well).
December 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I do not like Monckton that much either. He has a tendency to exagerrate even above that of Alex Jones. But he’s right about Maurice Strong being one of the men behind the curtain - that’s why I posted the video.
As far as ice ages, that’s good info about it fertilizing the land, thanks. It’s a shame that man will do anything to stop the ice age from occurring, then. I fear the geoengineering schemes of the elite more than anything. I monitor one of their scientific groups via rss. The way they nonchalantly discuss these things is pretty scary. They have conferences and stuff too, and undoubtedly the most extreme research that they do are classified and not available in scientific papers.
The alarmists first predicted an anthropogenic “ice age” and the newspeak “global cooling” was born; then it was “global warming”; now it is just “climate change.” When the rhetoric is changed so often it goes to show that they are guessing, and that “consensus” is far from uniform. One could make a few guesses - even a layman - from these charts as well: “Hockey Stick vs. Ice Core Data”
I’m all for renewables. I’m all for less pollution, poison, and less waste. What I’m not all for are worldwide draconian decrees from on high - especially when it is the brainchild of Rothschild, Gorbachev, Gore, Strong et al.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
- Mescalero
If what you say is true (and truth be told I have heard others say the same) I am glad to know AIDS isn’t incurable. My point was that Monckton, presumably thought AIDS incurable when he conceived his tyrannic prescription. However, this no more excuses him then the Rockefellers, etc are excused for their Malthusian plans, if they really believe their own population bomb hype.
It’s good that we are both in agreement about the nefarious influence of elite families but surely you must find it somewhat suspicious how much support they have given the climate change movement? Even if it is a real phenomenon, which I doubt, just given the flip flopping that has gone on over the specific nature of the problem, it still doesn’t justify a movement that’s clearly designed to purge more than half the human race and place the rest under global totalitarian rule. At the very least the Green movement needs to shake off it’s scheming controllers.
Hey, you know what would really help the Inuit hunt seals? If the enviro-wackos wouldn’t protest their seal hunt every year!
Even though I’m not so convinced about climate change (though as I said I do believe harmful pollution in general is a reality and needs to be stopped) I fully agree that the Iraq war is morally wrong but more on the grounds that it is unnecessary, imperialistic and leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and not because of the Carbon footprint. Though I imagine phosphor-bombs, etc are quite bad for the environment and the whole thing is a waste of gas and other resources as well as life.
Sorry if I came off a little harsh but note that I did say “it may even be that you know all this and are actually a supporter of elitism and eugenics. If this is the case here’s a message, if not, please cheerfully ignore this next part.” Assuming that didn’t describe you, you were supposed to “cheerfully ignore” that part. Your being associated with history’s worst scum bags was predicated solely on you falling into the elite Malthusian/Eugenicist category. If you don’t, my perhaps far to over the top righteous indignation (or perhaps I should say “self” righteous indignation) doesn’t apply to you. Sorry if there was any confusion. Of course if you are a Malthusian/Eugenicist then the insult still stands.
When I said what I said about God being the runner of History I meant it in the ultimate sense where pricks like Hitler, Stalin and Rockefeller get what’s coming to them, not in the more immediate sense were individuals misuse their free will for evil. Yes, I was referring to the Judeo-Christian God and you are right me and mine, and you and everybody else as well have totally failed our God and royally f!@#$*ed up the task and this is, in the end, the real source of all our problems. Remember the entirety of that “myth” is that humanity disobeyed God’s commandments, in their lust for knowledge and power and in doing so brought ruin to themselves, their descendants and nature. Look around you, I don’t think I need to argue to you the clear “reality” of that “myth.” However, though we must try and be responsible stewards and stop environmental degradation, it is not Man who will restore Eden, but God in his own time. This is where people like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Hitler, Marx and the like are in error and extremely dangerous individuals. In their ultimately unattainable, religious quest for anthropogenic salvation they are willing to sacrifice billions of lives.
You got me. I did play “Masters of the Universe” a lot. My favorite was Mer-Man even though he was one of the bad guys. I especially liked the live action movie. Frank Langella was a wicked Skeletor, but I wished they would have included Battle-Cat and Orko too but maybe that would have been too expensive or something. If you ever want to play I still have a lot of my old He-Mans. I even have a few Transformers left too!
Anyway, sorry we don’t agree on everything but you seem over all, an okay person. Sorry if I came off like a bit of a prick, I just don’t want to be killed by Robber Barons is all. Anyway, God bless and I hope you are right about the AIDS curing thing. Good luck with that.
(PS: It might not be clear since this is text not speech but that last part wasn’t meant to be sarcastic.)
(PPS: The sentence before this one also wasn’t meant to be sarcastic)
(PPS: The part about He-Man was sarcastic though)
(PPPS: Except the part about us playing with action figures, that offer still stands.)