PERFECTIBILISTS: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati, by Terry Melanson
The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship, by Paul & Phillip Collins
Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism, by Abbe Barruel
Fire in the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith, by James H. Billington
America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones, by Antony C. Sutton
April 8th, 2009 at 12:10 am
I really enjoyed this video. A bit long, but interesting. There is still a lot to understand that is not in this video, but good nonetheless.
April 8th, 2009 at 5:20 am
the devil is with them
April 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Wow, that was almost like watching Glenn Beck “debunking” FEMA camps. But anyway - Hitler banned EVERYTHING he considered a threat to himself - including freemasonry - and for obvious reasons… but hey, I’m just a conspiracy theorist…
April 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
The FreemasonryWatch guy says the producer is a Mason himself, and they cut out a bunch of stuff he’d said on camera. At any rate, I believe the thing is obviously contrived. It is way too slick, thorough and skewered.
That bit about the Freemason persecution in Germany is their standard mantra now; every apologetic book on Masons (by the Masons), in the last couple of years, now includes mention of it. I’d like to see a list of the thousands of supposed Masons that got sent to the camps: date and location of initiation; and how they’ve established - exactly - in each case - that being a Mason was the reason for persecution. Was there entire buildings within the camps with a sign on the front that said “Freimaurer”?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
First off, stamping your little feet and demanding to know the names of Freemasons who were murdered during the WWII holocaust wont get you anywhere. Do you demand to know the names of the Jews, Romanian Gypsies, and Catholics that were murdered? I doubt it somehow…well, maybe I shouldnt…
Freemasons were one of the groups targeted by Hitler as “ideological enemies of the state” simply because he couldnt get his hands on secrets that he wanted and he was also afraid that the Brothers wielded too much power. Apparently you are not familiar with the Order of the Blue Forget Me Not, which was innagurated by the Grand Lodge of Bremen in about 1936. At this time, Freemasons in Germany and throughout occupied territories ceased to wear the square and compases on rings, lapel pins, etc and began to wear a small blue flower called the forget me not, which conicidentally was Hitler’s favorite flower. So much so that he gave out pins of the flower at a meeting of high ranking officers of the Reich, thinking that all those German Freemasons were paying him homeage wearing the little blue flower, which I proudly wear in my lapel today as a Freemason.
It has been documented that the Freemasons were not only taken to concentration camps and gassed and cremated along with those others feared by Hitler, but they were also forced to wear a red triangle when they were imprisoned. Some of these red triangles on their camp uniforms are preserved in Bremen to this day.
Also, as you are clearly an anti-Mason, you may wish to at least be a well-informed one. Your little image of the pyramid and all seing eye with teh line through it has nothing to do with Freemasonry. yes, the all seeing eye is a common bit of iconography within the Order. However, the image of a pyramid does not now, nor has it ever had anything to do with Freemasonry and appears nowhere in our rites, rituals or inconography. But then I am sure you are one who translates Novus Ordo Seclorum as New World Order and impresses friends at parties by connecting the letters in this latin motto to make the word Mason and then connecting them to form a square and compasses. Neat parlor trick, but meaningless. In his book called Solomon’s Builders, Brother Chris Hodapp debunks that little gimmick by listing the other words that can be made from the motto.
So you deny the holocause occured at all, or do you just deny that Freemasons were murdered because you dislike and fear what you do not understand. Or was it just that you were denied membership in a Lodge for being a sheep who blindly follows the masses.
As for the “FreemasonryWatch guy” im familiar with his “scholarship” and he would say his mother was a war criminal for a bit more ink. If thats where you are getting your information friend, I can see why you are so misquided. Fact is, the the Freemasons arent going anywhere and the world is a better place because we dont. Or at least the children who benefited from teh approximately $650 million raised by Shriners last year think so…and Shriners are all Masons. I bet if you have a child and that child ever gets burned severely enough to need hospilization, you will be happy to have a Shrine Hospital look after him/her and gladly accept the charity.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
@TheSquareApron
It was in bad taste, and I apologize.
> pyramid does not now, nor has it ever had anything
> to do with Freemasonry and appears nowhere in
> our rites, rituals or inconography.
See the iconography of the Grand Orient of France - pyramids galore (see J. S. Curl, The Art & Architecture of Freemasonry). Also, during the 18th century there were a few masonic lodges in Germany that explicitly used a pyramid for their Lodge seal (see Lajos Abafi, Geschichte der Freimaurerei in sterreich-Ungarn. Band IV).
> As for the “FreemasonryWatch guy” im familiar with his “scholarship”
I’m sure you are, but we aren’t talking about “scholarship.” The “FreemasonryWatch guy” was in the movie, and I spoke to him about it. What I said in the previous comment is what was related to me by him. Also, the producer promised not to reveal his real name. When the doc aired, however, he was double-crossed and his real name was put up for everyone to see - especially all the masons who have a grudge against him. The last part I believe wholeheartedly. I have had communication with him for quite some time, and he is utterly paranoid about revealing his true identity - to anyone. He is threatened on a day-to-day basis, by your ostensibly peaceful and charitable brethren.
On those philanthropic Shriners, see here. The Jesters are upstanding citizens as well.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
There may indeed be some bad apples regarding the Shriners and most certainly the Royal Order of the Jesters, whom I personally am ashamed to say have any connection to Freemasonry whatsoever. What one must remember is that the only connection that the Shrine has to Freemasonry is that the requirement to join the Shrine is that one must be a Master Mason. Nothing more. And whatever the behavior of some members may be, there is no denying that their burn centers are the best and most state of the art in the world, and that they charge not a single penny for treatment.
As for the Royal Order of the Jesters…here what you may not realize in your effort to link them to Freemasonry is that they are twice removed from it themselves. A Shriner must be a Mason and a Jester must be a Shriner. The Royal Order of the Jester is nothing more than a social club, lacking the philanthopic aspect of the Shrine. The Jesters are an invitational Order with truly such a tengential relationship to Freemasonry that it barely is worth mentioning. If it makes you feel any better, in my opinion as a Freemason, they should be gone, or Freemasonry should disavow and sever any connection to them. What you should also understand is that so many of the bizarrre rumors that swirl around the Ancient Free and Accepted Masons come from the Jesters. There were recently federal sentences handed down to several higher members fo the Jesters, namely trafficking in persons for the purposes of prostitution, when the brought several prostitutes across state lines from New York into New Jersey so that the prostitutes could be present at a party.
As for people being threatened, well..that sword cuts both ways. I have been threatend personally by one of the most well-known anti-Masons in the US that he would kill myself and my family and that he would come to my Lodge and kill everyone in it. So you neednt think that your friend from FreemasonryWatch is alone. The man that has threatened me, simply because I am a Freemason has threatened to come up behind me and cut my throat while I was tying my tie preparing for a Lodge meeting., so if that happens in this modern day, is it so much of a stretch to believe that Hitler tried to eradicate the Freemasons by gassing, shooting, burning and imprisoning them. And what you said is not only in poor taste, as you yourself admit, its revisionist. The blue forget me not is worn by Masons today not only as a way to clearly recognize each other, but also as a memorial to those Freemasons who were exterminated by Hitler. Make no mistake about it, I do not compare the internment and killing of Freemasons to the holocaust experienced by Jews, Gypsies, the handicapped, etc. But the facts are there and the only reason you do not see them is because you will not look.
As for the gentleman being threatened by Freemasons, sounds like a case of the Morgan Affair being replayed, but it certainly is good for his publicity isnt it. To say he didnt mean to be in the film that ended up being shown, that he doesnt want his indentity revealed…Listen, we Freemasons have had our critics and conspiracy theorists since the very beginning and their damage to the fraternity remains nill. And if he would like to compare stories, he can compare the fact that my Lodge is regularly burglarized and vandalized, that Brothers of other Lodges are accosted on their way in and out of the Lodge, that cars full of ignorant ant-Masons drive by and shout vulgarities.
As for myself, I have joined this forum under the very clearly indicative title of TheSquareApron to dispel ignorance with fact. Its my intent to read every post on this forum that has to do with Freemasonry and refute it where ignorance and lies have been offered up as half-baked and unsupported truth.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
PS-
I can tell you that there arent many, if any Masons, who have a grudge against your Freemasonry watch friend. Primarily because he has no idea what he is talking about and also becuase there is nothing new in what he is spewing. Anyone with a library card and access to the internet can know all he says so why would we fear anything that comes out of his mouth. He’s a fool, and we know this from the moment that he opens his mouth and says that anyone that betrays the Freemasons is killed. There is not a single documented case of this having occurred. I challenge you to find one. You wont because you cant becuse they simply dont exist.
I notice you dont address many of my other points. Such is the case with conspiracy or rather coincidence theorists. They have little bits of nonsense memorized but when pressed for facts they cannot produce them.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
> To say he didnt mean to be in the film that ended
> up being shown, that he doesnt want his indentity revealed
He was interviewed for the film on the condition that his real name not be used. They promised to only identify him as the owner of FreemasonryWatch. They reneged on this and published for the first time his real name for the whole world to see.
> I have joined this forum
It’s not a forum; it’s a blog; and you aren’t required to “join.”
> Its my intent to read every post on this forum that
> has to do with Freemasonry and refute it where
> ignorance and lies have been offered
Have at it! The debunker will be debunked.
I’ve dealt with, and dispatched whole hoards of masonic debunkers on Above Top Secret for months upon months, day after day - single-handed. Invite your buddies if you like … I’ll be waiting.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
> pressed for facts they cannot produce them
I gave you facts. Read the books I recommended on the Pyramid being used by Masons (which you claimed that it hadn’t) and then get back to me. We can’t have a debate if one of us is deficient in knowledge while he lets on as if he is a smart cookie, now can we?
On the Great Seal, and how Masons interpret it, read my article here.