William Cooper debunks Jordan Maxwell
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(Thanks Phil)
While listening to William (Bill) Coopers famous “Mystery Babylon” series I noticed that Bill was reading something, like he normally did,, but this time he didn’t say what it was he was reading. I found out it was Jordan Maxwell’s book “That Old Time Religion” After I made that connection Cooper did all the debunking. This presentation will show the following: 1.) Cooper makes it very clear that he believes Maxwell to be spreading the “mystery” religion 2.) It will also show that Maxwell is NOT showing us what “they” believe, but that he is telling us (in essence) to believe what “they” believe. 3.) Cooper clearly implicates Zechariah Sitchin in relation to Maxwells work. 4.) It will explain Coopers position, which has been misrepresented by people that failed to realize that he would read Masonic literature often in order to expose it to the public, he clearly seems to think Maxwell book is Masonic as well. 5.) I break down the interview of Maxwell on The Hour of The Time.
William Cooper debunks Jordan Maxwell
Tags: Jordan Maxwell, Mystery Religions, Occult, Videos, William Cooper
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September 5th, 2008 at 5:21 am
Hi there,
At about 15 minutes on this video, the author speaks of the winged sun disk and shows pictures of it. I am currently making a documentary Called The Secret Language Of Cars which proves conclusively that the grilles of all modern cars and trucks is in fact this icon-the winged sun disk!!
September 5th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Cooper, in his ‘testament of allegiance’, declares his partiality to God and Jesus. If the Bible is his source, can you clarify his scholarly belief that it, or parts of it, is true history untampered. What are his views on the council of nicea and the King James Version?
Well Presented Video- It has shown me to research, research, research!
And please take no Offense: Are you Christian?
If it isint too much do you have a link to information about the jesuits and Freemasonry, and may i ask you for your opinion on David Wilcock?
—Addison
September 5th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I agree. I found a lecture by Maxwell a few years back and it was nothing but a kind of synctretistic, masonic hodge-podge, operating under the guise of “expose.” Further, I have met an aredent disciple of his who is basically a full-on gnostic.
Jay
September 5th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
@Jason
The old Dodge logos are a prime example!
I’ve got some pictures of it if you need some (Contact form, top upper right.)
@Addison
Don’t know what Cooper’s views were on Council of Nicea. His stuff is all over the internet though. If you want to become more familiar with him, it isn’t that hard.
Christian, yes. No denomination, no Church.
@Jay
The whole scene around Maxwell (or those who cite him) has an agenda inside an agenda; or they are very confused. They’ll rail against the elite, but in reality the head honchos at the top have the same beliefs - reverence for the mystery teachings.
September 6th, 2008 at 7:43 am
I own a couple of videos by Maxwell where he states that he is a “truth seeker,” and a believer in reincarnation, so I naturally assumed that he was Gnostic. Quite a compelling speaker, but not somebody I recommend to anyone.
Thanks for sharing this one!
A N T E P A C E M
Max
September 8th, 2008 at 1:47 am
I do think the truth movement has it wrong regarding who did 9/11
and the whole zeitgeist thing. If you read the bible and understand it,
you would know that mystery babylon is indeed the vatican.
vatican/USA are responsible for 9/11
The bible talks about the vatican and America working together to enforce the mark of the beast.
I also dont buy into the whole illuminati thing.
The vatican are the ones pushing for a new world order, so they can be the dominate religion.
The Vatican will be the head of the new world Religion and the new world Government which will be one.
‘Historian’ claims 9-11 plot by Vatican, U.S.
Egyptian tells Saudi TV of ‘assignment’ by World Council of Churches
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44711
Top Mafia Figure, Tony Gambino, Implicates Vatican And Bush in Prior Knowledge And Complicity in 9/11 Mass Murder
http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=24634
trinity of hell
1.Vatican
2.USA
3.Satan
want to expand your knowledge of the end times..
http://www.remnantofgod.org/
September 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Corey,
Why do you think the Vatican is the harlot of Babylon? Do you know what preterism is?
Jay
September 8th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
The narrator informs us that ‘this is why THEY hate christianity! because THEY think they christians stole from the mysterey schools.’ Seriously? Thats why the christian cult is so dispised? Not because of the centuries of systematic genocide, fraud, extortion and abuse, and the perpetuation of abject ignorance, eh?
September 8th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
forgive my atrocious spelling on the previous. just woke up.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:01 am
People you are losing the point, Maxwell’s personal believes are not important, the information presented by him is. Just listen to what he says and then go do your own research thats all. Why should I care if he’s masonic or if he likes the NWO? don’t take him as a celebrity or expect anything from him, I appreciate he brings forward all of these important issues for people to look at. he’s right about many facts of the gov, church etc…but the general public in America are very misinformed and don’t know anything about foreign policy and the shit we do overseas and the power of the catholic church so he informs you, he doesn’t try to convince you he always tells you in his lectures to do your own research and dont believe anyone.
everyone loves worshiping their jewish god jesus, or the blood thirsty mohammed or the psychopathic god from the old testament etc… all that matter is the truth no matter what.
September 10th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Some evangelical ministries have falsely accused Bill Cooper as a “New Age author”, but listening Mystery Babylon series one will realize that often he claimed he was a christian which believed in Jesus Christ as his saviour (actually he believed in the very words of Christ). He disproved and exposed the false teachings of new agers like Shirley Maclaine by debunking them quoting works of christian authors like Texe Marrs, this is a fact, period!
Cooper pinpointed out the errors of both Catholic and Protestant churches claiming that the true words of Jesus Christ were perverted and twisted by these institutions by introducing elements of the mystery religions, but regarding christianity he doesn’t agreed with Jordan Maxwell whatsoever!!
September 15th, 2008 at 2:41 am
There was no debunking at all on this page, just a man making a feeble attempt to discredit Jordan Maxwell for whatever reason. If you listen to the whole interview you will see that these two men did not show any signs of disagreement at any point. But, yes the only way to know the truth is to do your own research
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
My Brother would never help me when i needed it so i had to bribe the pilots and crew myself. I do thank him for burying that money i gave him that was for our parents retirement though, that was a good move. Cya on the other side my brother! seek the truth and do yer homework kiddies! Things are not what they seem.
September 28th, 2008 at 12:43 am
First of all, everyone on this post NEEDS to understand something. Just because Jordan Maxwell and Bill Cooper did not share the same personal religious feelings Does Not mean that they spoke different truths about religion. From what I have seen and read: Jordan Maxwell believes that the Christian faith was born of a particular sect of astro theology and absorbed by astronomically focused secret societies based on Egypt for use as a new religious establishment meant for control. The ONLY difference that I can see in Bill Coopers position on this matter are his belief in the Christian origins and the existence of Jesus Christ as a person, not a personified image of the sun. Cooper believed that the secret societies absorbed the real Christian faith and manipulated the story to their own astrological knowledge and traditions, thus deeming Jesus a “sun god” or something.
Regardless of who you agree with, it doesn’t matter; Christianity was absorbed by secret societies and was changed for control. Personally, I think that Cooper is just trying to justify his childhood religion by taking this stance. What is to say that the testaments themselves aren’t ancient occult scripts written in kabbalah code and astro-personifications? If you want to bicker on religious differences, be my guest, i just think it is a waste of our present time and motives. Believe whatever you want to about things that cannot be proven, the obvious remains.
@Terry
Why do you think that someone who listens to Jordan Maxwell is wrong because they believe what the mystery schools believe? Maybe they prefer that religion because it is more based in astro-science than Bill Coopers’ Christianity. Or maybe because it is what the people in charge believe and they are the smart ones, why not hop on board, it is probably right. Regardless, this does not make them wrong and is NOT debunking.
September 28th, 2008 at 12:55 am
p.s.
If Bill Cooper wanted to debunk Jordan Maxwell, he would have done so and said so outright. If you are trying to tell me that Milton William Cooper was reading from “That Old-Time Religion”, wasn’t citing his source and wasn’t claiming to be debunking anyone, yet was trying to debunk Jordan Maxwell; I don’t believe it.
p.p.s
By the way, the oldest publication I can find of “That Old-Time Religion” by Jordan Maxwell is 2000. From what I know, Coopers Babylon series was much older so I don’t see how he could be reading from that book (although it does seem to be the case). My guess is both authors were quoting something else altogether. Perhaps some occult scripts. Can anyone help me out with this because I am confused.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Jordon’s real birth name is Russell Pine and a couple of years ago he was charged in a shady internet con under his true name. Google Jordon Maxwell AKA Russell Pine to read the whole sad story. I thought as first he was on the up and up, but those he associates with such as Tsarion and Gardner put me to searching for answers. I wouldn’t buy a used car from that man now.
I want no part of freemasons nor the NWO, however, I am an ex-christian who became one by sitting down and reading the bible from cover to cover. I don’t know who put that book together or who changed what, but that could not be the word of a true holy god. If it is, I will just have to pass. Any ‘god’ that would condone the slaughter of millions, including women, children and tiny babies is not a god but a devil. Just see how many time Moses and Joshua commanded the simple people to kill, steal and RAPE at the command of their tribal god. The raping of little girls was also ordered! The OT is the filthiest book I ever read.
It has been proven beyond doubt that Moses did not and could not have written the torah. It was not written until the days of Ezra. Also, all the so-called prophecies in the OT said to be of Jesus are not prophecies at all.
I did not reach this conclusion easily as I was raised in this doctrine and had to become an outcast when I left this religion. I have never been happier. I believe all religions are manmade for the sole purpose of deception and control of the human race. Religion has also played a huge part in wars that make certain rich men even richer while the poor simple man died.
There are hundreds of errors and contradictions in the bible. If it was truly the inspired word of the Creator, it would be perfect and understood by all. A perfect God could do no less and would not allow it.
If satan is the god of this world then it makes sense that this pathetic hate filled book would belong to him. How anyone can read the deeds of the OT god and not see the hate and viciousness is completely blinded.
September 29th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Nicholas, I think you are on the right track. There is a book by Helen Ellerbee titled The Dark Side of Christian History. It is barely 200 pages but she cuts right to the point about the christian induced bloodbaths that are still going on right at this very moment as we ‘force’ democracy and ‘liberate’ the poor Iraqi’s by killing them by the thousands, including of course, innocent women and children. It apparently is the christian way.
Yahweh always commanded the savage hebrews to kill all in their path because they were ‘holy’ to this god. What exactly will it take for people to wake up. If there is such a thing as the Illuminati, and I believe there is, they have you right where they planned for you to be. How can right thinking people believe this powerful group would infiltrate and corrupt every organization under the sun yet leave christianity untouched!? What you believe as a christian is what they are counting on. They created it for you to use it against you when the time comes.
No one chooses their faith. Most are born into one religion or another purely by the accident of birth. A muslim family will raise muslim children. A mormon family will raise mormon children. A catholic family will raise catholic children and on and on it goes. Christians believe they are right and are so lucky that god loved them more and let them be born into the right doctrine. Guess what, all the others think the same thing about their religions and they love their families just like you do.
The history of all religions is quite brutal and nasty, yet we are expected to believe such ‘holiness’ came from the same source that tortured and killed humanity in the names of all these gods. Now we are told to fear the illuminati because they want to kill most of us….well, what else is new? Religions have been raping, stealing and killing from the very beginning. The three bloody Abrahamic religions just may be in for a taste of their own medicine.
September 29th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Max referred to Maxwell as a gnostic because of belief in re-incarnation. Well, where does the notion of re-incarnation come from? During the era of jesus, the belief in re-incarnation was popular as the NT clearly shows.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: (Reincarnation - John the Baptist was Elijah.)Even though John did not think he was Elijah.
Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. (Reincarnation when Elias returned as John the Baptist.)
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. (Reincarnation)
Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (Reincarnation)
September 29th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
@Kate
Zealotry comes in many guises. But the STATE is the biggest mass-murderer of all time. When the ideology of the STATE was religion - the STATE murdered, tortured and maimed. When the STATE’s proclivity was communism and atheism - it had a hell of a bloodfest, too (300 million in the last hundred years from the dictatorships of China, Russia, National Socialism and fascism alone).
@Devan
The quotes are indeed found within Maxwell’s book; specifically from the parts of the compendium which was written by him. In the 2000 edition, it is found between pp. 45-6, in Maxwell’s “Solar Cult” section. Perhaps he wrote that as an article a while back, and only included it in his book later on. At any rate, it is his words; and Cooper had access to underground material.
Just to be clear: the title of the post is exactly what Chris White had named his video; 2) the italic synopsis, just before the embedded video, is his own words as well - it was a good summary, so I reposted it verbatim. All enticing titles aside, I obviously agree with White’s explication of where Cooper was coming from, and especially where he wasn’t. It’s Cooper’s latter position that is the whole thrust of the video. Maxwell and Sitchin are singled out - and rightly so - to prove White’s point.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
http://www.carm.org/diff/Matt11_13.htm
http://tinyurl.com/44×7ce
http://www.gotquestions.org/John-Baptist-Elijah.html
The Bible interprets itself.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Terry, have you never read the history of the men who compiled our bible? They were liars, pedophiles, rapist and deceivers. Would a just and loving god choose such men? If he did, then this god is no better than those he chose.
The NT god tells us to turn the other cheek if someone smites us. Who in their right mind would do that? If you have children, is that what you teach them? If someone sues you do you also give them everything else you own? If you say yes, you are a damn liar. I have never known a ‘christian’ would do either of those things. The sick apostle paul tells the church to settle legal matters within the church and not in public courts, but when it comes to him, he demands to go to the Roman government! Helloooo!
I noticed you did not acknowledge the points on re-incarnation. Those verses are cleary in the NT and everyone flees from them.
Someone commented that Cooper said that the gospels had been tampered with and we don’t know the real teachings of jesus. How did he know? If he knew, what are the true teachings? How could a just and honest god expect mankind to do what is right when we don’t know what the hell the truth is? Our bible was given to us by the most evil and corrupt organization we could ever imagine. They are also the largest organized pedophile organization ever known to men! If god could not find a better representation of his word to us, then I will wait until god can do better. Anyone who could harm a child is the lowest form of scum on the earth.
The State is the biggest mass murderers???? Go to the OT and count the death toll of the hebrews under the command of their sick god. You should arrive at approx. 32 million!!!! That includes women, babies, children and the unborn.
The OT is used by every sick organization on this planet for hate, destruction, death, racism and every form of perversion known.
If the bible was the word of the true god, it would be a book of love and compassion for all of humanity. The welfare of innocent children would be first! The OT is just a watered down version of the talmud. The talmud is the sickest work ever penned by the hand of man. The book of the Sanhedrin gives instruction on having sex with small children. That is why the OT has no problem with men taking little girls for ‘themselves’.
Why don’t you try opening your eyes and seeing the truth? We still have over 200,000 children who disappear from this nation each year and most of them are never found. They are either killed by a sick pervert or sold into a child sex ring but the stupid pious christians prefer not to be bothered by such ugliness. Many of these children are molested or killed by clergy and preists.
I suggest you pull your head from your ‘you know what’ and get a clue to what is really going on. I have arrived at the place that adults can do and believe whatever the hell they choose, but I mourn for the children who are the ones who suffer due to such ignorance. Wake up and see what you have been told is nothing but lies! If you don’t care about yourself, at least have some amount of concern for children.
Every generation creates god and religion in the form they think is right. If you don’t believe that just go back and research from church libraries sermons of the past. You will discover how diverse they were from the modern doctrines.
I wish I knew the truth. I wish I could sit back and believe the bible. That would be easy but I cannot trust a book with so many flaws and contradictions. A true and just god would not allow that. If god so loved the world, he woudl make sure we knew without doubt the truth. As it is, there are now over 2000 sects of christianity alone and none of them agree 100%! Everyone looks for the one that suits them and that is what they choose. They cannot all be right and the bible is written in such a way you can make any doctrine you please, and that has surely been done.
Why don’t you tell us what the real word of God is and what we are to believe. I have been searching for almost 10 years for real evidence of the truth. If the bible has been tampered with, please tell us what was the original word!
All I know is the bible we have was given to us by the most evil organization on earth and we have been fools to accept it. What kind of god would choose murderers, thieves, rapist, child molesters and liars to do his work? If that makes sense to you, then you have bought the big lie and are spreading to those who trust you. How sad.
I do believe in a Creator, but not the gods of the bible. I would never attribute that hateful book to that Creator. One child killed or raped at the command of a god is one child too many. A child raper or killer is a total sick bastard and not a god. You may serve whom you choose, but I will not serve such a sick demented bastard as that.
September 30th, 2008 at 12:51 am
“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Hate comes in many forms. I’m encountering it right now, and unfortunately so are my visitors.