9 Responses to “More Collins brothers Radio Interviews”

1. Bob van Wyk Says:
   January 25th, 2009 at 1:31 am

   For gos’s sake what is meant by “no pagination” Will somebody please tell me!

2. Terry Melanson Says:
   January 25th, 2009 at 2:01 am

   A citation that is an internet source. If it was a book, they would cite the exact page number; but since it is not a book - there is “no pagination.”

   Tada!

3. Phyllis Robinson Says:
   January 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

   So, why don’t they just say that????

4. Terry Melanson Says:
   January 25th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

   It’s a standard way of doing it in scholarly papers. Instead of cumbersome end notes, they cite the sources right in the text (and at the end they give the full source in the biblio): i.e. (Hopsicker 377), and at the end - Hopsicker, Daniel. Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob and America’s Secret History. 2001. Florida: Mad Cow Press, 2006.

   It’s problematic for internet sources, because of no page numbers. After many emails asking what is “no pagination” and that it gets in the way of the flow - which it does - they finally acquiesced and have dispensed with it. If a source has no page number and it was cited as the last source, they just put “ibid” now.

   Check out the last three or four articles they wrote to see what I mean.

5. Phillip D. Collins Says:
   January 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

   The “no pagination” method of citing Internet sources is part of the standard MLA citing system, which changes every year. I don’t know if it is still part of the MLA system, but it was the only available means for Paul and I when we were writing the articles. As Terry previously mentioned, we are no longer using it. I am going to check out a new edition of the MLA Handbook and see if a new method for Internet sources has been developed.

6. Terry Melanson Says:
   January 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

   Phil,

   Here’s something from MLA Update 2009

   —
   Online-only Publication

   For articles that appear in an online-only format or in databases that do not provide a page number, use the abbreviation n. pag. for no pagination. End the citation with the medium of publication, Web, and the date of access.

   Kessl, Fabian and Nadia Kutsche. “Rationalities, Practices, and Resistance in Post-Welfarism. A Comment on Kevin Stenson.” Social Work & Society 6.1 (2008): n. pag. Web. 10 Oct. 2008.
   —

   It would appear that “no pagination” is used once, in the citation only (rather than continuously repeated in-text).

7. Phillip D. Collins Says:
   January 26th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

   Thanks, Terry!

   Truth be told, I am actually so sick of the “no pagination” method that I am abandoning it entirely. “Ibid” is fairly unambiguous, so I’ll stick with that.

   And, to the readers that were confused by the method, you all will be relieved that I’m no longer using it. But, understand, I was just following the MLA guidelines. I appreciate your consternation over the method, but please direct all of your complaints to the Modern Language Association.

   I didn’t invent the system. If I had, I would have adhered to the criterion of K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple, stupid). Unfortunately, the MLA is not so pragmatic about research methods.

8. Terry Melanson Says:
   January 26th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

   The main thing is that you guys cite judiciously. Transparency in research is paramount. And if everyone were as consistent as you guys - with as much integrity, precision, and accuracy - then the term “conspiracy theory” would be uttered far less frequently - if at all.

9. Phillip D. Collins Says:
   January 27th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

   Thank you so much, Terry! That was always our goal!

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