Evidence suggests CIA funded experiments at state hospital
Louis Porter - November 30, 2008
Few people in Vermont remember Dr. Robert W. Hyde, but one of his former patients can’t forget him. The doctor was involved in one of the nation’s darkest chapters in medical science: In the 1950s, Hyde conducted drug and psychological experiments at a Boston hospital through funding that apparently originated with the CIA. Later, he became director of research at the Vermont State Hospital.
The patient, Karen Wetmore, is convinced that Hyde and other researchers subjected her and possibly other patients to experiments paid for by the CIA at the Waterbury facility.
In addition to her claim, new evidence, though incomplete, suggests that such tests might have been conducted at the Vermont State Hospital.
Several books and numerous newspaper accounts have detailed how techniques developed through testing, including on mental health patients at hospitals in other parts of the country, are related to the interrogation methods used in Guantanamo and other locations in the war on terror. These well-known and well-documented drug experiments began in secret after the Korean War and were sponsored by the U.S. government.
News accounts and histories of the experiments have not mentioned the Vermont State Hospital, but a congressional committee concluded that dozens of institutions, some of which have never been identified, were involved in secret experiments for the CIA.
Tags: mind control, MK-ULTRA
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December 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
These kind of experiments this medical MAFIA are doing in London, UK, in The Royal Marsden”Hospital” (so-called cancer so-called hospital) too. They use insane psychiatrists and psychologists to mess up with patients mind and then medical MAFIA butcher, burn, fry people to their deth. If these people are ill, if they are ill at all, they are not crazy.The medical MAFIA, like “Dr” Garry-Brown Anesthesiolog injecting people with chemicals-poisons when patients are under general anesthesia, withot patients consent. He did to me, but I survived thanks toGod/Universescient.
And will try to get justice beginning 2009 and to bring this murderer Gary-Brown to justice. That is God/Universe will. Please support me and send me godd thoughts-energy of winning. Thanks, Nada Vorotovic
February 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
We know that MKULTRA was way more then just LSD testing. What about the 40 super psychologists that still work for MKULTRA today. We know that Mari Edelman Ph.D. was working for MKULTRA in Berkley and still works for MKULTRA today at UCLA. You don’t believe me, check for yourself. Her website says she’s faculty at UCLA. Go to the UCLA website and do a faculty search. Your not going to find her name. She is deep undercover.
February 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
There were 1000 super psychologists with project PINECOMB. Mari Edelman was only part of the first class. Her sister Carole Lieberman now runs the program.
February 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
@Bruce and Rebecca:
Where are you getting this info on “40 super psychologists,” PINECOMB, and Mari Edelman and Carole Lieberman?
I’ve done a search with every conceivable combination on Google (web, blogs, books, news, etc.) and have been presented with nothing but quips from comments in blogs - all saying about the same as the two of you (which is hardly much). Where does the info originate? Obviously it is from a different place than I have been able to find.
February 13th, 2009 at 5:09 am
Terry
Project PINECOMB was one of the many sub-projects that were part of the infamous MK-ULTRA. It came out when the papers were declassified. It is not as exciting as the LSD or brothel stuff that gets all the attention. You can find the declassified documents online and read a little bit about Project PINECOMB.
Carole Lieberman was mentioned as part of Project PINECOMB under the name, title and sex. So the document said “C. Lieberman, psychiatrist, F (female).” Could it be another psychiatrist that has the first first name of Cindy, Cathy… and the last name Lieberman? Sure. Carole has been on TV so many times, which was what PINECOMB was all about that most people just figured that C. Lieberman was Carole Lieberman. Carole also brought down many powerful people such as Michael Jackson.
Mari Edelman endorsed a book that was supposedly written by Sylvia Lieberman (Carole’s mom). The only problem is that the picture on the website of Sylvia is in fact Mari. It also list Mari as a Faculty member at UCLA, but if you search the UCLA website she is not listed. This all brings up some important questions such as. Who is Mari Edelman ? What is the real purpose of the book? Was Mari part of PINECOMB. Ok Terry I am tired of typing. Let me know if you have any more questions.
February 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Interesting.
“Let me know if you have any more questions.”
Yes, a link would be nice; in particular to those “declassified documents” that specifically mention PINECOMB and Lieberman. As God is my witness I can’t find a single anywhere on the internet.
February 13th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Regarding no results on searches, here’s some examples:
“C. Lieberman” +pinecomb: nada
“C. Lieberman” +mkultra: nada
PINECOMB +Lieberman: one result to a blog post that does not give its source and is therefore hearsay (and no different, really, from the comments on this blog post).
mkultra+ “C. Lieberman”: nada
Do you see what I mean? It’s all fine and good to say that there’s official documents about PINECOMB and Lieberman, but where are they?
February 13th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Terry
Try this link.
http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000.htm
The reason you can’t google it is due to the fact that the documents are still just scans and not words that google can access. MK-ULTRA stuff is not that easy to find. I have seen the document that Bruce is referring to and it does say C. Lieberman. There are hundreds of pages of declassified MK-ULTRA reports and it will take you a few days to get through it. I printed all 300+ pages out and read it like a book. It is great reading but took me a couple of weeks to read. There are lots of sites that have the documents like the one listed above. I think it is amazing how little comes up when one googles MKULTRA. There are 1000’s of sites about area 51, roswell…. but very few on a real proven government cover up. Also PINECOMB was just one of many, many sub projects that MKULTRA ran. The only real interesting thing about Project PINECOMB is that these people are still alive and well. Most of the people involved with MK-ULTRA are long since gone. For a while there was a Wikipedia page about PINECOMB with a photo of the page in question but anyone can change wikipedia and someone did. My guess is that Carole changed it. I am sure she wants to live a normal life and leave all of this nonsense behind her. The rumor is that she is the head of MK-ULTRA today but MKULTRA really does not exist. She is more like the head of the high school reunion of your class. So the Westchester high class of 1968 does not really exist today. There might be someone who puts together a party but the class will never be what it once was.
February 13th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Terry
Get off your ass and do some real research. Just kidding. It’s a lot of reading but so worth it. I did the same thing Rebecca did and printed it out to read. It took me 6 months to read, but then again I always hated school.
February 13th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Thanks. I’ll look through them.
February 13th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
The images posted are pretty poor quality, but I looked in his index path where there’s a 35.7 mb pdf file. I downloaded it and the scans appear to be of better quality. Also, since it is a pdf, it should be possible to do a OCR text recognition on the entire document in order to facilitate a word search.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Mari and Carole both work for the UCLA Medical school which is why you can’t find their names on the UCLA mainpage.
Here is a link to their medical school website: http://www.psychiatry.ucla.edu/vcf/
http://www.semel.ucla.edu/global/search.php?cx=011342787611922187720%3Ayqqzffmvwcg&cof=F
Their just normal people who don’t work for the CIA or MKULTRA. I know Mari personally and she didn’t grow up in Nevada. I have met grade school friends of hers from Beverly Hills. Please stop blogging about nothing.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
@Nathan Cutietta
Why have you come here? How did you even know of this page? You are obviously monitoring something. What is it?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
If we don’t stand up in unison and exercise our right to protest and free speech now more than ever before, while pointing out that the real terrorists are those who would seek to destroy the freedoms enshrined in the Bill of Rights, then we may find ourselves doing our protesting behind the barbed wires and the concrete blocks of an internment camp.
The hour is late, the clock stands at one minute to midnight, and the federal government, through all the examples documented above, is on the verge of implementing nothing less than a total environmental, financial and societal dictatorship and killing what once was the United States of America.
Almost identical programs of total enslavement are also being pushed through in almost every other major western country at the same time.
If we don’t stop obsessing about the minutia of life and actually concentrate on the imminent destruction of the very principles of our livelihoods, the bedrock freedoms that allow us to operate in relative comfort on a daily basis and be reasonably secure in our own homes, being able to pay our bills, put food on the table, earn money, and air our grievances when government threatens to impinge on those basic freedoms, then there will be nothing left but a rotten hollow carcass and a memory of what America once strived to be – land of the free, home of the brave – not land of the thief, home of the slave.
December 11th, 2009 at 12:36 am
I like to clap my hands and sing happy songs.
January 27th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
I had a friend Mark Wagner, which he had a job at U.C.L.A. washing down the lab at night in 1975. He got this job as his mother worked there. He told me they pay money to test something called bio feedback, new at the time. I being 18 years old signed up for it. It was at the neuropsychiatric institute at U.C.L.A. I went for my first session and I had a reaction to the glue that the electrodes were stuck to me. So I could not proceed. Some time later Mark said they had another experiment that paid even more, 100.00 dollars to test a cold virus. I was told that they would give me a dead cold virus and I would get a little sniffle and then recover all in about an hour. I went to my appointment where I was put in a hospital bed; an I.V. was put in my arm and supposedly EEG electrodes were put on my head. The doctor brought several other people into watch. I was administered something in the I.V. I was waiting for it to give me the sniffles, when it felt like a grenade went off in my head. I have never felt more pain in my entire life. I blacked out from the pain. I have been in bad auto accidents and I have fallen 50 ft. on to rocks. These were nothing in comparison. When I awoke I couldn’t help but notice everyone that had witnessed what had happened were smirking or smiling, one woman was almost laughing. I asked what had happened. I was told matter of fact, I had a severer reaction.
I had learned of MK ultra through reading and told a friend of what had happened to me in Bruin territory. He casually told me to goggle it. I almost shit my pants when I googled U.C.L.A MK ultra. I now suspect I was given shock treatment and god or they no what else. I have a great distrust in the medical profession since this happened and even more now that I have discovered the truth. I have considered a lawsuit. I may picket there entrance with my story in the hopes they try to sue me for liable.
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:08 am
Robert
Sorry to hear what happened. That sounds like a really horrible experience. MKULTRA really scares me. It is amazing that this happened in Los Angeles.
February 15th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
UCLA and MK ultra go way back. If what you say is true then this was the CIA. I know someone in the inside that could help you find the truth. I don’t want to put her name out in the open but please respond if you want to find out what happened and I can get you her email and phone number. She will have access to your file and know the exact names of the people that did this to you. Then you could contact a lawyer and see what your options are. Do not picket, they will only write you off as a crazy.
March 26th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Trust no one
I would like that info if possible, my phone # is 805 455-9073
October 10th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Trust, know one?
I too would appreciate being contacted. A massive cover up is in fulling….I won’t quit fighting till I’m
dead….. Thank you. 208 841 2591. Feinberg must be removed from office and NPI fully exposed in the global light. God sides w the Victims….always. 777
August 23rd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Looking back on my life it is clear that I have been a test subject. I cannot say what agency or program I am under but many peoples stories of MK ring true for me. Symbols such as pinecones (pinecomb), monarch butterflies, triangles, artichokes, etc, etc. have a powerful but not fully understood effect on my psyche. Early childhood abuse (sexual and psychological), possible childhood drug administration, symbolism and key words… it all kind of adds up.
I found the above thread particularly interesting, as it creates another connection for me (UCLA), in my search for the truth. Long story short, I went to school for Landscape Architecture at CSU (Colorado State), a program I feel in hind-site is really a human experiment. The spring prior to graduation I was given a prescription for Adderall (mixed amphetamine salts) to treat depression related to ADD. Subsequently I was hired by what I was lead to believe was one of the top landscape architecture firms in the country, The SWA Group, in Laguna Beach California, a small isolated community in Southern California. Without going into too much detail, (I could write a book on the experience) I was given mind bending projects (problems) to work on, often working 16+ hour days, and several times working 24-36 hours straight. I won’t go into specifics about experiences during this time, but after 4 months of this abuse I was immediately discharged with no reason given other than “it’s nothing personal”.
Following this experience I worked at The Laguna Nursery (Rueben Flores) where further psychological abuse (daily yelling/dressing down and illogical tasks/instructions) and symbol implantation took place.
Some time later I was invited to UCLA to attend a lecture by Adriaan Geuze of West 8 Urban Design. His lecture was odd. It seemed to be more about sex than about landscape architecture… it felt somehow personal and there were a number of members of the audience who seemed to be gauging my response to these “off” statements. The experience left me in a trance like state, dissociated, confused… vulnerable. Without going into further detail, there were a number of “players” who interacted with me that evening in a way that felt more like trickery or testing than normal human interaction. It was a surreal experience, no doubt by design.
In hindsight, I believe that this 3 year experience (still ongoing) was some kind of experiment (CIA MK Ultra or other similar program). I also believe that The SWA Group, CSU and UC Irvine are involved in human experimentation. I have never experienced evil like I have been introduced to through Landscape Architecture.
If any of you are still active on this thread please lend any insights you might have. Thank You.