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	<title>Comments on: Bohemian Grove: Molochs, Moles and Rituals</title>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that suddenly owls are showing up in fashion, children's clothing and decor and jewelry. I am noticing owls featured in various ways from babies hats to womens handbags. It does make me wonder if there is any significance to this, maybe a warning or sign of some sort. Just a feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that suddenly owls are showing up in fashion, children&#8217;s clothing and decor and jewelry. I am noticing owls featured in various ways from babies hats to womens handbags. It does make me wonder if there is any significance to this, maybe a warning or sign of some sort. Just a feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding article.  Always wondered how Moloch was connected with the owl, or rather not connected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding article.  Always wondered how Moloch was connected with the owl, or rather not connected.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I argued this same point with Mark Dice like three years ago.  Good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I argued this same point with Mark Dice like three years ago.  Good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Melanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Melanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bohemian Club publishes the plays. They can be &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&#038;field-keywords=Bohemian+Club+grove+play" rel="nofollow"&gt;had at Amazon&lt;/a&gt;, some pretty cheap. It'd be interesting for someone to analyze them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bohemian Club publishes the plays. They can be <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&#038;field-keywords=Bohemian+Club+grove+play" rel="nofollow">had at Amazon</a>, some pretty cheap. It&#8217;d be interesting for someone to analyze them.</p>
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		<title>By: David Livingstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Livingstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great clarification Terry. But interesting nevertheless that the Grove featured the play "Olympus" by Arnott, about Cronus devouring his own offspring. The Greek legend of Chronos/Khronos is derived originally from a Middle Eastern one, exemplified by the Canaanite Moloch.

The myth of Kronos swallowing his children was compared to the Carthaginian (Canaanite) worship of Moloch, or Saturn, by Diodorus of Sicily, in the first century BC:

"Among the Carthaginians there was a brazen statue of Saturn putting forth the palms of his hands bending in such a manner toward the earth, as that the boy who was laid upon them, in order to be sacrificed, should slip off, and so fall down headlong into a deep fiery furnace. Hence it is probable that Euripides took what he fabulously relates concerning the sacrifice in Taurus, where he introduces Iphigenia asking Orestes this question: “But what sepulchre will me dead receive, shall the gulf of sacred fire me have?” The ancient fable likewise that is common among all the Grecians, that Saturn devoured his own children, seems to be confirmed by this law among the Carthaginians."

This is important because this is the central identification of the ancient dying-god that became the focus of the Ancient Mysteries, and then later the European occult tradition.

The dying-god is identified with the Sun (or alternatively Venus), while Saturn is his darker aspect. Saturn was known to the Babylonians as the “star of the Sun.”

The worship of Saturn entered into the Ancient Mysteries by way of the so-called "Magi" who founded the cult of Mithras. These "Magi" were heretical Zoroastrians who worshiped Zurvan, or Time, equated with Kronos, or Saturn.

So while Mithras was equated with the Sun, or Helios, he was simultaneously Kronos, Saturn, and Hades, god of the underworld. This is how Mithras was a chtonic mystery, in other words, Luciferian. 

(It should also remember that the worship of Saturn was part of the Roman Saturnalia, the origin of our Christmas, such that Santa is a modern Saturn.)

Though commonly identified as riding a young man slaying a bull, another identification of Mithras was as the lion-headed beast, with the body of a man, cloven feat and two sets of wings. This "Leontocephalus" is related to Phanes, of the Orphic mysteries of ancient Greece, which were also influenced by the ancient Magi as early as the sixth century BC.

The figure is also directly related to the "creatures" of Ezekiel, connecting Mithraism to Merkabah Mysticism, the origin of the Jewish Kabbalah.

This is also related to the central "alchemical mystery" of Mithraism, where the initiate starts off at the level of Saturn, which is equated to lead, and undergoes a transformation through the seven known planets, culminating in "union" with the true god, the Sun. 

Who is also Hades, or Lucifer. While Mithras was the most popular version of the god of the mysteries, he came in many forms, including Osiris, Apollo, Hermes, Dionysus and so on, and this is how under his various derivations he became the secret god of Freemasonry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great clarification Terry. But interesting nevertheless that the Grove featured the play &#8220;Olympus&#8221; by Arnott, about Cronus devouring his own offspring. The Greek legend of Chronos/Khronos is derived originally from a Middle Eastern one, exemplified by the Canaanite Moloch.</p>
<p>The myth of Kronos swallowing his children was compared to the Carthaginian (Canaanite) worship of Moloch, or Saturn, by Diodorus of Sicily, in the first century BC:</p>
<p>&#8220;Among the Carthaginians there was a brazen statue of Saturn putting forth the palms of his hands bending in such a manner toward the earth, as that the boy who was laid upon them, in order to be sacrificed, should slip off, and so fall down headlong into a deep fiery furnace. Hence it is probable that Euripides took what he fabulously relates concerning the sacrifice in Taurus, where he introduces Iphigenia asking Orestes this question: “But what sepulchre will me dead receive, shall the gulf of sacred fire me have?” The ancient fable likewise that is common among all the Grecians, that Saturn devoured his own children, seems to be confirmed by this law among the Carthaginians.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is important because this is the central identification of the ancient dying-god that became the focus of the Ancient Mysteries, and then later the European occult tradition.</p>
<p>The dying-god is identified with the Sun (or alternatively Venus), while Saturn is his darker aspect. Saturn was known to the Babylonians as the “star of the Sun.”</p>
<p>The worship of Saturn entered into the Ancient Mysteries by way of the so-called &#8220;Magi&#8221; who founded the cult of Mithras. These &#8220;Magi&#8221; were heretical Zoroastrians who worshiped Zurvan, or Time, equated with Kronos, or Saturn.</p>
<p>So while Mithras was equated with the Sun, or Helios, he was simultaneously Kronos, Saturn, and Hades, god of the underworld. This is how Mithras was a chtonic mystery, in other words, Luciferian. </p>
<p>(It should also remember that the worship of Saturn was part of the Roman Saturnalia, the origin of our Christmas, such that Santa is a modern Saturn.)</p>
<p>Though commonly identified as riding a young man slaying a bull, another identification of Mithras was as the lion-headed beast, with the body of a man, cloven feat and two sets of wings. This &#8220;Leontocephalus&#8221; is related to Phanes, of the Orphic mysteries of ancient Greece, which were also influenced by the ancient Magi as early as the sixth century BC.</p>
<p>The figure is also directly related to the &#8220;creatures&#8221; of Ezekiel, connecting Mithraism to Merkabah Mysticism, the origin of the Jewish Kabbalah.</p>
<p>This is also related to the central &#8220;alchemical mystery&#8221; of Mithraism, where the initiate starts off at the level of Saturn, which is equated to lead, and undergoes a transformation through the seven known planets, culminating in &#8220;union&#8221; with the true god, the Sun. </p>
<p>Who is also Hades, or Lucifer. While Mithras was the most popular version of the god of the mysteries, he came in many forms, including Osiris, Apollo, Hermes, Dionysus and so on, and this is how under his various derivations he became the secret god of Freemasonry.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Melanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Melanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ross. 

It's interesting to me that some people who obviously know better continue to say "Moloch the owl," or the "Owl god Moloch." I think it has to do with denigrating the elite. Obviously, to associate them with Moloch worship is to smear them, so they keep saying it (and it jives with the Decamp/Bonacci narrative). A similar thing occurs with anti-masons. The Taxil hoax material is just too good to totally part with, for some, and so it continues on. 

That being said, I totally agree with what Mark Evans said about the situation. Despite the Moloch canard - exaggeration or not - I respect Alex Jones for what he did. It's a part of history now. He's the only one to actually capture footage of it. He doesn't get enough respect for it, imo - especially on the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ross. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to me that some people who obviously know better continue to say &#8220;Moloch the owl,&#8221; or the &#8220;Owl god Moloch.&#8221; I think it has to do with denigrating the elite. Obviously, to associate them with Moloch worship is to smear them, so they keep saying it (and it jives with the Decamp/Bonacci narrative). A similar thing occurs with anti-masons. The Taxil hoax material is just too good to totally part with, for some, and so it continues on. </p>
<p>That being said, I totally agree with what Mark Evans said about the situation. Despite the Moloch canard - exaggeration or not - I respect Alex Jones for what he did. It&#8217;s a part of history now. He&#8217;s the only one to actually capture footage of it. He doesn&#8217;t get enough respect for it, imo - especially on the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 22:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I’d love to get a hold of all of the Boho Plays. It would be interesting to analysis the various themes they’ve presented to the elite audience over the years. Excellent research as always Terry. I think you’ve finally driven the last nail into the coffin for any delusional notions that the owl is Molloch. Figures it would be Icke who muddied the waters on this one. Bit by bit you are separating all the major disinfo chaff from the conspiracy theory wheat. I recently sent your article on the Albert Pike 3 World Wars letter to James Corbette after a caller mentioned the letter on his radio show. Corbette appreciated it. I also recommended he read Perfectibilists and try and interview you if he ever gets the chance, so you never know, he may try to contact you in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I’d love to get a hold of all of the Boho Plays. It would be interesting to analysis the various themes they’ve presented to the elite audience over the years. Excellent research as always Terry. I think you’ve finally driven the last nail into the coffin for any delusional notions that the owl is Molloch. Figures it would be Icke who muddied the waters on this one. Bit by bit you are separating all the major disinfo chaff from the conspiracy theory wheat. I recently sent your article on the Albert Pike 3 World Wars letter to James Corbette after a caller mentioned the letter on his radio show. Corbette appreciated it. I also recommended he read Perfectibilists and try and interview you if he ever gets the chance, so you never know, he may try to contact you in the future.</p>
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