Only one thing, may be of some importance: As far as I understood the text of W.G. Carr 1958, he doesnt reclaim the topic with the 3 WW deriving from this “letter 1871″. He talks about Albert Pike, his background, his thinking and his alleged plan for 3 WW. To the end, the “letter 1871″-story is being told an the quote is given.

So it is not completly debunked - after all the only source for this 3 WW topic is W.G. Carr himself. Concerning WW 1 and 2 one may say, its not too strange, writing 1955 such “prophecies”. So it might be a fake oder a hoax. Concering WW 3 and the predicted conflict between Israel and the muslim world - things are a bit different. Wouldnt anybody have been predicting a possible 3 WW deriving from the USA - USSR - antagonism? And whats about the situation today (Iran-Israel) …..

From what I’ve been able to determine, his entry in “10,000 Famous Freemasons” was in error, quite possibly confusing Mazzini with Girabaldi…

Scholem saw Sabbateanism as pivotal to the development of Zionism and the modern Jewish identity generally. Arendt must have been aware of this but she never breathed a word. In fact in The Origins of Totalitarianism she goes out of her way to absolve the Cabbalist bankers many conspiracists see as ultimately responsible for all the crimes against humanity committed during the wars and revolutions from the French Revolution on.

Other writers who put Sabbateanism centre stage are Marvin Antelman:

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=5112

and Barry Chamish who is close to the settler movement in Israel. Chamish has written re-Sabbatai Tzvi:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12681484/Barry-Chamish-on-Frankists-Sabbateans-and-the-Illumiati

I do not believe, however, that this occult ideology is proof of a vast continuous conspiracy carried on throughout the ages, simply because its proselytes have traditionally been born Jewish. Rather, the fact that these beliefs existed before these people were born, when they came of age they naturally gravitated toward it.

A revolutionary is a revolutionary is a revolutionary. That some could have also been Jewish and/or secret followers of Sabbatai Zevi, is an interesting factoid at best. Other interesting things about revolutionaries is that they’ve come from all ethnic and socio-political persuasions along with real or imagined excuses for their conduct.

Committee of Union and Progress ( Young Turks ) were largely Rothschild- sponsored Donmeh freemasons from Salonika.

Trotsky, Parvus and the Bolshevik “permanent revolution” crowd were of like provenance.

Hitler finance came from the same banker cartels that sponsored Bolshevism.

The original national socialism was espoused by Moses Hesse long before Hitler was conceived. It was a form of Jewish nationalism.

x2 World Wars=Israel

Not rocket science.

Like other masonic witnesses Waite detected the discarding of morals and Christianity that was encouraged in the highest degrees. The suspicions re-Satanism will continue for as long as Lurianic Cabbalah and the idea of Redemption Through Sin inspired by the Sabbatean Apostasy dominate the fringe freemasonry of such groups as B’nai B’rith and Grand Orient/Scottish Rite Lodges.

The question whether Pike and Mazzini were Satanists is muddying the waters and doesn’t detract from the central point that freemasonry was usurped by Rothschild Zionism for purposes of permanent revolution.

Waite (on p. 253 of “New Encyclopedia of Freemasonry”; page 21 of “Devil Worship in France” as well) was summarizing the claims of the Palladium hoax material, the 1870 business, and the supposed contacts between Pike and Mazzini. He didn’t say that this was true. That is your assertion, not his. Waite was the first debunker of the tales. He also wrote a response after Taxil had confessed, that according to one historian has been published only recently.

As for Margiotta - yes, I discount his tall-tales. All of it. It is infected with lies at its core, so we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. That’s what responsible people do when they are confronted with a deceiver. You can choose to undertake a real historical investigation, or you can choose to traffic and propagate confabulated assertions. You can’t do both. A Margiotta is impossible to deal with, as we are just supposed to take his word while he provides no means to verify any of it.

“Notwithstanding the Taxil hoax being recycled by later conspiracists like Carr et al-and note Taxil was seeking to discredit French anti-masons when he dreamed up the x3 World War hoax”

Taxil sought to discredit Catholics and Masons. And he did a fine job at it too. The WWW3 cruff is solely the fantasy of Carr. In the hoax material there isn’t anything about three world wars.

The point of my article is specific and explicitly a one-subject exercise: to get to the bottom of the alleged Pike/Mazzini 1871 “letter.”

What do you think? Because I have debunked a longstanding myth that all of a sudden it means that I believe there are no conspiracies? Masons conspire, Jews conspire, Fascists conspire, Communists conspire, secret service agents conspire, authors with agendas conspire. The human race is hardwired for it. And those with the gold call the shots.

Unlike Carr, Waite cannot be accused of having an antisemitic agenda. Waite had taken issue in the Occult Review with the anti-masonic, antisemitic diatribes he found in Nesta Webster’s Morning Post articles in 1920. He had also debunked the more lurid smears levelled against the Palladian Rite by Diana Vaughan.

While Carr et al can be discredited for sloppy research for including the Taxil hoax material in their indictements of freemasonry does that necessitate wholesale jettisoning of Waite and Margiotta?

More importantly relying on masonic sources to refute Carr et al obscures the FACT that freemasonry had been subverted at its highest levels by political conspirators long before the Mazzini-Pike machinations from as far back as the seventeenth century. For these Accepted as opposed to Operative Freemasons the organization’s secret codes and international networking provided an excellent vehicle for initiating the permanent revolution and creative destruction that came to feature so prominently in modern history.

Rothschild Zionism achieved its objectives via Judaeo-Masonic subversion. When conspiracists ask who had the motive, the form, the means and who was in a position to benefit from events like the Young Turk Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, WW1 and WW2 the answer in ALL cases is Rothschild Zionism.

Notwithstanding the Taxil hoax being recycled by later conspiracists like Carr et al-and note Taxil was seeking to discredit French anti-masons when he dreamed up the x3 World War hoax-there is abundant evidence of Illuminist and Rothschild Zionist infiltration of freemasonry to bring about the revolutions, depressions and wars on which Zionism would thrive.