http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3813 Anti-Theory Conspiracy Wed, 22 May 2013 01:30:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3813#comment-39108 sebastian Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:15:05 +0000 http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3813#comment-39108 In conclusion, that if someone has heard Ibn Arabi's doctrine, this does not mean that it has undertood it! In conclusion, that if someone has heard Ibn Arabi’s doctrine, this does not mean that it has undertood it!

]]> http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3813#comment-39107 sebastian Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:11:46 +0000 http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3813#comment-39107 just to add, "a historic Turkish Sufi order, outlawed in the 1820s". Again that was "outlawed", it does not mean that the people in charge of the power necessarily means that they were right to outlawed, but simply that the latter was against the former, which does not proove who was right and who was wrong. It's just enough to study a little little of history to know that some sufi orders have been "outlawed", but this does not mean that their doctrine was objectively heterodox! just to add, “a historic Turkish Sufi order, outlawed in the 1820s”. Again that was “outlawed”, it does not mean that the people in charge of the power necessarily means that they were right to outlawed, but simply that the latter was against the former, which does not proove who was right and who was wrong. It’s just enough to study a little little of history to know that some sufi orders have been “outlawed”, but this does not mean that their doctrine was objectively heterodox!

]]> http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3813#comment-39106 sebastian Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:02:16 +0000 http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3813#comment-39106 You said : "Ibn Arabi (1165-1240), the main reference of Muslim mysticism, was embraced alongside Herbert Spencer and Auguste Comte. What the two strands had in common was the rejection of religious authority and institutions." I am sorry, but claiming that Ibn Arabi "rejected religious authority and institutions", is completely false. Perhaps, someone has misinterpreted his writings, but that is another matter. As for the Becktashi order, this is even more complicated, because we have to make a clear distiction between the historic becktashi sufi order itself, and a popular movement which took the same name but had and has nothing to do with this order, nor with sufism, if not of a degeneration of the former. You said : “Ibn Arabi (1165-1240), the main reference of Muslim mysticism, was embraced alongside Herbert Spencer and Auguste Comte. What the two strands had in common was the rejection of religious authority and institutions.” I am sorry, but claiming that Ibn Arabi “rejected religious authority and institutions”, is completely false. Perhaps, someone has misinterpreted his writings, but that is another matter. As for the Becktashi order, this is even more complicated, because we have to make a clear distiction between the historic becktashi sufi order itself, and a popular movement which took the same name but had and has nothing to do with this order, nor with sufism, if not of a degeneration of the former.

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