Redford linked to the report. Here it is again, it might be a good idea to read it if anyone hasn’t: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2069953/?page=1

As for Albarelli’s statement that someone overheard a Sandoz salesman say that the incident in France was not ergot poisoning …… well the salesman had been drinking and maybe was trying to press home the potency of the product being sold, or maybe he’d overheard some rumors in the employee lounge. It’s just too thin a piece of evidence to put much weight on it.

It’s true that the FBI and CIA are sociopathic scum who didn’t and don’t hesitate to illegally experiment on US citizens, but I don’t think we can hang this one on them.

He has obviously never tried LSD. He is obviously not familiar with the actual effects of the drug.

A much more likely culprit for such intense hallucinations, convulsions, and death would be a deliriant containing atropine, like Belladonna or jimson weed.

I know people who have tried these things, and while they love the LSD experience, they strongly recommend avoiding belladonna and jimson weed.

There are plenty of films that show the effects of LSD administered secretly to troops. They mostly just laugh their asses off. A few have very dark emotional experiences, most likely when they come to the full realization that they’re in the business of war.

It could have also been mercury or ergot poisoning, but an aerosol of LSD? Get real.

Oh, by the way, one of the reasons there’s fluoride in municipal water supplies is that it will oxidize drugs like LSD and destroy it. So does chlorine.

Sometimes black market LSD is distributed as “gel tabs”. This is a method of titration that involves mixing LSD with gelatin and smearing it on a light diffusing panel to make tiny dried gelatin squares containing the drug. If one uses tap water when mixing the gelatin, the “gel tabs” become very weak or even
completely inert.

So, all of your conspiracy theories about both LSD and fluoride in the water supply are bunk.

Keep in mind, people, that sensationalists like Art Bell, Alex Jones, and Mr Alberelli have a vested interest in keeping you frightened and misinformed. Just like the government.

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James Redford has no clue or idea what he is writing about. His mistakes and erroneous info is too
silly to even respond to… The story he presents about Sandoz is only partially true… his info about LSD and death is simply wrong… the bread theory has been ruled out by experts for decades… one can’t gather their facts and info from the Internet solely and expect to know much of anything. It helps to really dig into a subject before you write things that are completely wrong. How does one not commit suicide “in any form”? No way to deliver a ‘lethal does”– no not a lethal dose but an amount that infected many people. The Army and CIA has had this means for decades.
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Actually, I’m very learned when it comes to the pharmacology and chemistry of LSD, and I’ve written on the Pont-Saint-Esprit incident long before your book came out.

The mass-poisoning whose symptoms began circa August 16, 1951 in Pont-Saint-Esprit, France most definitely wasn’t caused by LSD, let alone anything that was sprayed through the air.

The poisoning was traced back to bread made by local baker Roch Briand. It didn’t affect people in the area generally, but only those who had eaten the contaminated bread. So your claim that the poisoning was due to “a covert LSD aerosol experiment directed by the US Army’s top-secret Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, Maryland” can be definitely ruled out.

Further, the symptoms of poisoning were incompatible with those of LSD’s effects. Symptoms began 6 to 48 hours after eating the contaminated bread. Whereas if it had been LSD, effects would have started to occur at about an hour for normal doses and sooner for massive doses (and sooner still for insufflation via aerosol spraying). Secondly, people don’t die from even massive overdoses of LSD, unlike a number of people who died of convulsions from the mass-poisoning in Pont-Saint-Esprit. There has never been a unambiguous recorded human death from LSD overdose. The therapeutic index for LSD is among the highest known for any pharmacologically active substance. Physiologically speaking, it’s extremely safe. There would be no way to deliver a lethal dose of LSD via mass aerosol spraying.

For a description of the symptoms of the Pont-Saint-Esprit victims by the physicians who treated them, see Gabbai, Lisbonne and Pourquier, “Ergot Poisoning at Pont St. Esprit,” British Medical Journal, Vol. 2, No. 4732, pp. 650-651. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2069953/

Regarding Sandoz, your statement that “A Department of Justice website on the dangers of LSD states that in the early 1950s ‘the Sandoz Chemical Company went as far as promoting LSD as a potential secret chemical warfare weapon to the U.S. Government. Their main selling point in this was that a small amount in a main water supply or sprayed in the air could disorient and turn psychotic an entire company of soldiers leaving them harmless and unable to fight.’” is incorrect. That statement never appeared on said U.S. government website. Rather, that statement appears to come from a blog post by a one Catton, “Adolescent Hallucinogen Use Drops Considerably,” Qondio United States, July 9, 2008; you apparently got confused as to what Catton was quoting from the publication LSD in the United States, Section: “LSD: The Drug” (U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration) and what Catton himself was saying. Nor did Catton provide any citation or explanation for his statement.

I don’t know who you you think you’re quoting when you write “How does one not commit suicide ‘in any form’?” I didn’t even write the phrase “in any form” in my previous post above, so you’re not quoting me. A number of people died of convulsions in the Pont-Saint-Esprit mass-poisoning. As I said, there has never been a unambiguous recorded human death from LSD overdose. The therapeutic index for LSD is among the highest known for any pharmacologically active substance. Physiologically speaking, it’s extremely safe. There would be no way to deliver a lethal dose of LSD via mass aerosol spraying.

But there are other organic poisons that have extreme halucinations as a by product.

AGain, it would be more persuasive if there were reports of animals acting strange also..

I’ve been looking over parts of this episode in Albarelli’s book and it is well researched and written, and goes into detail on all sorts of things - like the involvement of Sandoz LSD scientists in the investigation, and the fact that army personnel were seen in the vicinity before the mysterious illness. Also the people who died - three of them were elderly and the cause of death (though still unknown) seems to be related to convulsions.

I can’t wait to properly read it from start to finish. Mr. Albarelli, you have quite a gem here. Congratulations!

Have any of you seen ‘A Bad Trip to EdgeWood’ ? its a very interesting documentry about US army experimenting on their own souldiers with LSD.