No one’s defending Jesuitism, Fred. Read the article linked to above, and get back to me.

Call no man “Father”?

And another thing, pantheistic hindu gurus (the link embedded in your name), isn’t something Jesus would approve of either.

Jesus said “call no man father,” and, if you don’t do what I tell you to do, then, in heaven, I’ll disown you when you claim me as your lord.

Paste the whole the whole thing if you like. It’s already served it’s purpose: if you type in Illuminati +Jesuits at Google it’s creeping up there, slowly but surely.

I was thinking of joining that forum. I may do so. Andre is a smart dude, though. Don’t you think?

I’ve just been looking through your Blog archives for this article as I remember it from some time ago. Good article. I’m going to link it on Outlaw forum to upset some Jesuit believer all-caps shouters there. That is if that’s O.K. with you.

Justin.

Couldn’t agree more, which is why, like you, I find that the tactics of the “Jesuits are behind everything” crowd can get a bit irksome. It’s always the same line of thought, posting in giant multi-colored letters at various blogs and forums, incapable of any real debate and hiding behind the guise of “spiritually smart” egotistical superiority. While I’d agree that there is major league influence and corruption within the Vatican, you’ll notice that a majority of Anti-Jesuit exposers are all Protestants or deeply tied to other Protestant researchers. Personally I think that for the most part, all of this is part of a deeply subversive and covert “controlled opposition” campaign over the past 1000 years, involving the Templars, Reformation, Protestantism, Rosicrucians, Freemasonry, Illuminati and of course, Zionist elements and the Vatican. Not to mention the upper echelon of bloodline families. In turn, all of this goes back many thousands of years through business dealings and relations between prominent societies such as the Phoenicians, Celts, Gauls, Goths, Israel, Rome, etc.

Thanks, much appreciated.

It’s not so much that I “dismiss the notion of ‘Jesuit Theories’,” it’s that I dismiss the notion of Jesuits behind the Illuminati. Most of the real history of the secret societies during the Enlightenment is extremely arcane and inaccessible to the average person (multiple languages, multiple disciplines, not to mention exceedingly rare sources). One has no recourse then but to theorize. And, once the hypothesizing kicks in, the void is naturally filled with their own outlook on the world, or ideological stance. It’s understandable. But those who excel at it will not listen to reason (or evidence); the ones who do, however, have my respect. At one time I believed all sorts of things about the Illuminati, and most were contradictory. We all need to grow, and learn.

I’d like to discuss more with you regarding this article sometime, but the comments section probably isn’t the time or the place. Great info though.

Re:”expose the all-too-typical shoddy scholarship”

The problem is it’s not scholarly at all! Too often, conspiracy theorists quote other conspiracy theorists who quote other conspiracy theorists. For instance, William Guy Carr is a favorite source for some. Have you ever read that Weishaupt was commissioned by Rothschild in 1770s to found the Illuminati and spread Luciferianism thus furthering the goals of the Synagogue of Satan? Of course you have! It’s all over the Internets.

Why is it true to these people? Well Carr says so in a book on page so and so. That’s why. Go to page so and so of Carr and you find no citation for this earth-shattering claim. None. He woke up one morning, put vitriol to print, and expected not to have to answer for his words. And he was right.

Why do people like being duped?

The Illuminati - their real story - is sensational and serious enough. One does not need to conflate the narrative - and lie lie lie - just to make it scary.

You have outdone yourself. Beyond excellent! I’m halfway through this, and I’m elated that you have done the necessary homework to expose the all-too-typical shoddy scholarship of the myriad Jesuits-Run-Everything websites. My sentiments on this topic are the same as yours.

Jay