Simple history shows us that this view isn’t true.

KKK-Secret Society founded by Albert Pike:
The Main Library of the Supreme Council 33� of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, S.J., U.S.A., the Mother Supreme Council of the World, Washington D.C., is dedicated to none other than Confederate General Albert Pike, the KKK’s Chief of “Judiciary”.

This was a SECRET SOCIETY that ran the Southern states for years and oppressed, murdered and terrorized my people, along with Catholics, Jews and anyone else who did not agree with them. My mother saw the bodies of teens hanging in the trees where she grew up. My grandmother was almost horse whipped by these people. Tell my ancestors and my people that the KKK didn’t exist as a violent, secret society that conspired to murder and oppress people of color, Jews and Catholics.

That same Albert Pike was a Mason who wrote a great deal about Aryans, a topic that was pushed by the Nazis who started out being a secret society too. And they did plenty of damage.

And then there are the Communists who so far have left behind a trail of bodies that puts every religious war to shame. At no time did the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus and every other religion put together ever manage the millions of people slaughtered by the Commies. In Mao’s Great Leap Forward AND the Cultural Revolution they count up to 49 MILLION dead. The Communists started out as a secret society aiming to dominate the world.

The American Revolution was called the Masonic Revolution for a reason. The same French who backed up in our revolution for the same of Masonic ideals when ran the French Revolution and the Terror that followed.

And so on and so on and so on…

There are myriads of stupid people sitting in smoky rooms whispering of world domination. Some of them get a large enough following to earn them a page or two in a book. But even more end up as political movements that rock the world, most of the time to the hurt of innocent people. The problem with these groups is not when they are secret. It is when they come out of the closet so to speak and start running publicly after they have bribed, threatened and weaseled their way into positions of power. That’s when a few starry eyed geeks and freaks become monsters.

The way to stop that is to speak up against their consent mantra of ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, ONE WORLD MONEY AND ONE WORLD RELIGION. Say “Up Yours” and expose their ideas and bs until they can’t operate in the dark any more.

Anyway, that’s what I think.

Peace in the Lord.

T+

There are more questions than answers, for sure.

Never claimed to have the same knowledge of the subject as you. I never did take the story of Rosenkreutz as literal, but as you said, someone wrote the texts associated with them. Merely asking questions out of amateur interest. Not making a challenge.

I really hate to do this - no actually I detest doing it - but … see this wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian

Read through the “Origins” section and the “Reception” section to see where I am coming from. It is straightforward and to the point - and correct. Actually the entire article is surprisingly good.

All kinds of work has been done trying to find the origins of this thing that they call Rosicrucianism, and still continues. The thing that doesn’t help is the myth upon myth propagated over the years by occultists and shysters - i.e. by mystic initiates who have a stake in perpetuating a tale. Before academia started taking seriously the study (or historiography) of occultism and occultists in the ’60s and 70s, what we knew of the thing called “Rosicrucianism” was solely the domain of characters such as Waite, Westcott, Rudolf Steiner, Manly P. Hall, H. S. Lewis. Occultists with an agenda (professed “Rosicrucians”), not PhD students with a history thesis to complete. Those two worlds have different methodology and skill sets.

Have you read the Fama of 1614 and 1615? It is in France Yates’ Rosicrucian Enlightenment as an appendix. If so, does the tale of Rosencreutz (his life, his travels, his secret society) have the ring of anything besides legend? Have you read Christopher McIntosh’s work cited above? I just want to know if we are on the same page, with the same knowledge of the subject.

The “invisible college” was thus not visible because it didn’t truly exist? Apart from the writings that someone, or some body of people, produced?

Do you see any possibility that no records are available to the general public at all, and are hidden away from prying “profane eyes”? I realise that so many “secret socities” have much of their histories documented, to lesser or greater degrees, but is there any chance the any entity known as the Rosicrucians slipped through the academic cracks due any sphere of influence such an organization may have had?

The Church could deal with a solitary magus desperately searching for the Philosopher’s Stone or the Elixir of Life, but the danger of a competing secret society, based upon similar mystical lines to the Jesuit Order was surely deemed a direct threat. There was one problem, however: no one could locate a real Rosicrucian, much less a whole cabal of dangerous mystics.

[…] why, then, did they remain silent to those who applied to join their brotherhood? Perhaps, in fact, they did reply to a chosen few, but their replies went unrecorded. Or perhaps they never intended to reply but merely to act as a catalyst on the thought of their time. Certainly their silence helped to intensify the mystery around Rosicrucianism and contributed to the extraordinary vitality which it still possesses. [5]

The invisibility of the Brothers continued despite all attempts at making contact. This silence sparked passionate appeals in the form of letters, pamphlets and manuscripts; occultists, physicians and scientists of the day would pen works expressing admiration for the manifestos, desperately seeking official correspondence with the C.R. Brothers. [6] Though no response was forthcoming, a whole corpus of Hermetic-Cabalistic literature was produced and an occult revival took hold across Europe.

Most historians doubt—indeed, there is little evidence to suggest—the Rosicrucians existed in any tangible sense. However, the Rosicrucian manuscripts instilled the idea for the formation of secret societies, solely dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge, to bring about a real reformation of the whole world. Modeled on the myth of the Rosicrucians, societies—secret or otherwise—were formed in order to fulfill the ideal set forth in the Fama.

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5. Christopher McIntosh, The Rosicrucians: The History, Mythology, and Rituals of an Esoteric Order, Weiser, 1998, p. 24.
6. The most well-known of those who tried to make contact were Robert Fludd (1574-1637), Michael Maier (1566-1622), Elias Ashmole (1617-1692), and even Descartes (1596-1650).

The story of Rosencreutz in Fama has all the hallmarks of an allegorical myth, and thus the secret society to which it is claimed he founded as well. That being said, there was a person (or people) behind the original manifestos. And others took up the cause and began calling themselves Rosicrucians anyway, simply because they agreed with the philosophy of the Fama and the works of Johann Valentin Andreae and other alchemists/hermeticists.

It would be great to say here they are; these are the original Rosicrucians; this is their history and this is how it went down. But that isn’t the case. The only thing tangible is the fact that Fama appeared out of nowhere - we still don’t know from whom - and continues to influence people almost 400 years later.