Comments on: Owl of Wisdom Symbolism

By: Terry Melanson

Terry Melanson — Mon, 03 May 2010 16:29:55 +0000

> The important word here is “mortal”

Perhaps. … Just as long as you don’t call it a moloch

By: Nick

Nick — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 02:24:05 +0000

In my opinion, to them, the owl represents “mortal wisdom” because I heard them say it during the ritual that Alex Jones caught on tape, and because it fits with their sinister actions. The important word here is “mortal”. I think these guys want to challenge God, Heaven, or the divine wisdoms. They would like to take their place. I am still not sure about anything, but I would like to know their most basic principle; the one that drives them to do all these things they do. What do you think it is?

By: Jay Dyer

Jay Dyer — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:36:13 +0000

Yes, it was likely due to its obscurity - I wasn’t knocking him, he was the best of litter at my school. He was well read in Schiller, so I’m surprised he made no real connections to these more esoteric elements. I did bring up Rosicrucianism to him as well, when we examined Bacon indepth, but this stuff, although it often comes out in academia is, as you are well aware, more often than not scoffed at as utterly impossible.

By: Terry Melanson

Terry Melanson — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:02:32 +0000

Maybe it was the word “Minerval” which is pretty obscure by any standards. He would know about Hegel’s pronouncements on the owl of Minerva, though. And he probably knows about the philosophers Abel, Herder and perhaps even Meiners (and their connections to Hegel). Next time tell him that these guys were Illuminati members, and that the Illuminati practically worshipped the owl of Minerva, and that it was well-known at the time that the owl of wisdom was adopted by them.

By: Jay Dyer

Jay Dyer — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:10:28 +0000

I asked my former college advisor about Hegel (he did his thesis on Hegel) and the Minerval Order. All I got was a blank stare. lol

By: Terry Melanson

Terry Melanson — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:43:18 +0000

I touch a bit on Hegel in the book. He had to have been familiar with the Illuminati. There was a member, Abel, who was a mentor to Hegel his entire life; another member, Herder, had an influence on him; and Hegel seemed to get a good part of his dialectic philosophy from Meiners, whom Weishaupt also admired. Interestingly, this Meiners character was also revered by the Nazis as one of the founders of racial ideology!

If more lists of members ever turn up, it wouldn’t surprise me if Hegel was found to have been initiated as a teenager in Stuttgart. Abel taught Schiller there, and I’m not sure if it was in Stuttgart that Hegel first became acquainted with Abel, but afterward they both found themselves in Tubingen where the relationship was cemented. I wouldn’t even be surprised if one day we found out that Beethoven and Mozart are found to have been members.

By: Ross

Ross — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:35:51 +0000

Actually most of those pictures you provided are what I was thinking of (especially 3 and 4). I know in the movie Metropolis Moloch is depicted with the mouth being the fiery opening (but that hardly counts as a traditional depiction I suppose.) Just so it’s clear though I wasn’t defending the idea that the owl is Moloch, I was just speculating as to how Jones came up with that in the first place. I think some of the confusion started with Alex Jones suggesting that the cremation of care was symbolic of some kind of alleged human burnt offerings committed by the Bohos. This plus the vague physical similarities some of these Moloch depictions share with the Owl (ie: “Horns” and a truncated/round lower body) was enough to make him jump at the erroneous Moloch conclusion. Yeah, I don’t buy the capital hill owl either… or the hidden owl on the american dollar bill. I mean come on they’ve already got the overt quasi-masonic eye of providence, do they really need a secret owl?

By: Terry Melanson

Terry Melanson — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:50:26 +0000

“It is usually drawn as having a rotund body that terminates at the waste”

Can you provide an example of that?

Some Molech representations: here, here, here, here, and here.

When Icke said this - “The owl is the symbol of Moloch or Molech, an aspect of Nimrod/Baal” (p. 328) - in his Biggest Secret, I cannot fathom why; indeed, there is no citation for it either. Molech was associated with Baal (even Saturn or Remphan), sure; but an owl? No. Never. And the Bohos, in turn, wouldn’t be so symbolically illiterate as to confuse an owl with a bull - and they haven’t. So, if Jones says/said that the Bohos call this owl of theirs Molech (which he has on numerous occasions), it is just ain’t so….and to tell you the truth I am way past caring to even talk about Molech in tandem with the Bohos’ owl - it’s preposterous.

“What do you think of the claim that, that’s an image of an owl behind the capital building in Washington?”

Looks like Mickey Mouse to me!

“Speaking of your book, I’m really enjoying it so far.”

Thanks.

By: Ross

Ross — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:16:12 +0000

I recall Phillip Collins mentioned in his article “Nothing Beyond the Flesh” that Sir Francis Bacon was a member of a secret society called “The Order of the Helmet” and that, that name was referring specifically to Athena (who was always depicted wearing a helmet). (Phillip was citing Michael Howard’s “Occult Conspiracy”) Obviously there’s no direct line of influence between Bacon and the Illuminati (at least as far as I know) but the thematic similarity between The Order of the Helmet and the Minerval Churches is interesting. I know Bacon, along with Newton was a figure that was virtually deified by the whack jobs of the Enlightenment, so obviously his influence would have been felt in that sense.
Bennett Junior sounds almost like Batman if he were based on owls instead, which is sort of funny since the recent film Watchmen features a Batman style, Owl themed, crime fighter.
I guess the Moloch claim is based on artistic depictions of the biblical child sacrifice idol that existed over the years. It is usually drawn as having a rotund body that terminates at the waste, with a large opening in the front, (sometimes its mouth) blazing with fire, ready to receive victims. I guess the owl’s round body shape when coupled with the (probably false) stories of fiery human sacrifice made the Moloch story seem to make sense.
What do you think of the claim that, that’s an image of an owl behind the capital building in Washington? It is a kind of odd lay out for a pathway but then again maybe it’s just coincidental?
By the way check out the Hegel quote about the owl of Minerva. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_of_Minerva
It reminds me a bit of the Illuminist motto that graces your book cover “through me the blind see!” If I remember right from the book “Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition” he was more a supporter of the Illuminist’s Rosicrucian opposition but it seems quite likely he would have know about the whole Minerval churches and all, being that he was a roughly contemporary German figure with a passion for revolutionary and esoteric ideas.
Speaking of your book, I’m really enjoying it so far. Can’t wait for the sequel! Maybe over the next while you’ll collect enough data to write something big and spanning on this whole Boho/Illuminati connection. That would be great!

By: Terry Melanson

Terry Melanson — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:06:27 +0000

“that the owl is meant to represent Moloch”

It doesn’t; and never has. It is a fabrication. Someone gave Icke or Jones the erroneous info, and they believed it - perpetuated it - and we have a modern myth. Nowhere in all of recorded history has Molech ever been claimed to be symbolized by an owl. Icke’s “Biggest Secret” in 1999, I believe, may have been the first. Jones could have been saying it before, but I am not sure.

Goethe was highly attuned to myths - and extremely obscure ones at that. How could he not have known that Lilith was the “screeching owl”? It is near to impossible in my estimation. He may have included that Lilith bit especially for his former-compatriots in the owl-worshiping Illuminati; or, as they say, for those “in the know.”

These were my intentions with the article: 1) to illustrate the fact that the owl of Minerva was THE symbol of the Illuminati and to show the Minerval seals; 2) to demonstrate that the owl of the Bohemian Club (despite their ambiguity about its precise identification), in some circumstances, directly alludes to Minerva/Athena; 3) that the obscure Schlaraffia also pay homage to the owl of Minerva, and that they may have real connections to the Bohos. Finally, the last part about Bennett Jr. was a bonus - mainly to have a reason to show the last picture in the article with the owl and the motto, “La Nuit Porte Conseil”!

“during the cremation of care ritual”

Another Minerva connection is that the High Priest specifically says: “O thou, great symbol of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we do beseech thee”

By: Ross

Ross — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:57:13 +0000

Interesting stuff. I’ve never fully bought the thesis Alex Jones puts forth in his documentary; that the owl is meant to represent Moloch, though this seems to have become the majority opinion of pop-theorists on the net. You’re Athena argument seems more viable. As does the Lilith idea. I think in all likelihood the answer lies somewhere between the two. For me, the Lilith connection is strengthened by an exchange that occurs between two Bohos during the cremation of care ritual:
Helper 1: “It is a dream and yet, not all a dream. Dull care in all of his works harbored it. As vanished Babylon and goodly Tyre, so shall they also vanish.”
Helper 2: “But the wilding rose blows on the broken battlements of Tyre and moss rends the stones of Babylon…”
The biblical book of Isaiah contains prophesies concerning the fall of Tyre (Isaiah 23:1-18) and the fall of Babylon (Isaiah 21:1-17). Slightly later in the book is a prophesy against other nations that God plans to desolate: “From generation to generation it shall lie in waste; no one shall pass through it forever and ever… The owl and the raven shall live in it… Thorns shall grow over its strongholds, nettles and thistles in its fortresses… there too Lil’ith shall repose, and find a place to rest. There shall the owl nest and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow… ” (Isaiah 34:10-15)
Some English versions of the bible simply translate Lil’ith as “the great owl” or “screech owl”. Owls often nest in ruins and the Lilitu, the ancient Assyrian bird-biform, demons on which Lil’ith is supposedly based were also said to haunt ruins.
Interestingly, there is even an Illuminati connection to Lil’ith through Goethe. In his Faustus he briefly mentions her as Adam’s first wife. I’m not sure if he was aware of her association with owls though.
Although the reserved and virginal Athena/Minerva is of a completely different temper than the sexually ravenous Lil’ith, both figures are associated with owls and serpents. It has even been speculated that Athena might have started out as an owl goddess.