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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Petra</title>
		<link>http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1309#comment-39449</link>
		<dc:creator>Petra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mithraism was the borrower from Christianity. Tertullian about 200 could say: "hesterni sumus et omnia vestra implevimus" ("we are but of yesterday, yet your whole world is full of us"). It is not unnatural to suppose that a religion which filled the whole world, should have been copied at least in some details by another religion which was quite popular during the third century.

Bottomline: Mithra saved the world by sacrificing a bull; Christ by sacrificing Himself!

PS: Never use Wiki as a source if you want to be taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mithraism was the borrower from Christianity. Tertullian about 200 could say: &#8220;hesterni sumus et omnia vestra implevimus&#8221; (&#8221;we are but of yesterday, yet your whole world is full of us&#8221;). It is not unnatural to suppose that a religion which filled the whole world, should have been copied at least in some details by another religion which was quite popular during the third century.</p>
<p>Bottomline: Mithra saved the world by sacrificing a bull; Christ by sacrificing Himself!</p>
<p>PS: Never use Wiki as a source if you want to be taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: interested</title>
		<link>http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1309#comment-16243</link>
		<dc:creator>interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 01:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not confused. I am a Turkish citizen. I also come from a Bektashi family. I would have never thought that Bektashis influence came all the way to USA. :) That's so cooll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not confused. I am a Turkish citizen. I also come from a Bektashi family. I would have never thought that Bektashis influence came all the way to USA. <img src='http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> That&#8217;s so cooll</p>
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		<title>By: Arif Sahin</title>
		<link>http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1309#comment-14436</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif Sahin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about TURKISH FREE MASONARY !?

Americans had correctly noticed that NOI (Nation of Islam, a Black American movement) had Free Masonary influences. I tell you what. Islamic free masonary is nothing new, it is a very old doctrine. Heavily used and abused also before, during and after First World War by the Turkish Empire.

Turkish Special Organization (Teskilat-i Mahsusa) men were responsible for the spread of it while the Community of Union and Progress were behind it. Everything was done in cooperation with the Germans :-)

There is an ongoing huge criminal court case / investigation in Istanbul, called Ergenekon (more than 50.000 pages of accusations for more than 200 suspects). It got internetional attention too because some very influential people of Turkey were arrested (more than a hundred of them).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_(...)

ACCTUALLY the convicts are not Kemalists, nor ultra-nationalists. If you seek carefully within the Ergenekon related texts you will notice a word, AGARTHA. Among the arrested are the heads of Scientology and Noel Baba (Santa Claus) Society in Turkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha

When the first arrests began, two more names circulated in Turkish media together with AGARTHA: MADAM BLAVATSKY and SEBOTTENDORF.

Sebottendorf, who established the Thule Society that brought Hitler to power, was a Freemason and a Turkish Citizen. He knew numerology, kabbalah and Sufism (Bektashi order).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Socie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi

Bektashies are famous of their secret doctrine which is called the Bektashi Secret. Secret Societies are as Turkish as apple pie !

God permeates the whole wide world.
Yet His truth is revealed to none.
You better seek Him in yourself.
You and He are not apart, you are one.

Firm hands will lose their grip one day
And tonques that talk will soon decay:
The wealth you loved and stored away
Will go to some inheritor

Mystic is what they call me,
Hate is my only enemy;
I harbor a grudge against none,
To me the whole wide world is one.

This was Bektashi poetry. Sebottendorf was also influenced by teachings of Madam Blavatsky too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blavatsky

Blavatsky had spent some time in Istanbul as well as in the US.

It is believed that Sebottendorf had a Turkish name too, Sefik Husnu. It is well known and documented that someone called Sefik Husnu was arrested for being responsible for the REICHTAG FIRE that carried HITLER to power. Sefik Husnu was Jewish.

(Obviously, some jews had to create the anti-jewish movements themselves for the sole purpose of forcing them to migrate to Israel.)

http://www.marx.org/glossary/people/d/e....

He was released from the prison with Hitlers personal intervention to leave Germany. Today, the core of the people arrested within the Ergenekon case is Sefik Husnus group of people.

Thule Society, Skull and Bones, Nation of Islam all cary Turko-Iranian cultural characteristics. BUT, mainly the cultural cahracteristics of the Bektashi sect.

To be exact, I need to mention that Christianity does also cary Persian cultural characteristics :-) The Catholic church was a fundamentalist movement that had risen within the Mitraism and destroyed and replaced it after three hundreds years of bloody struggle.

Bektashi structure is unbreakable, militant and if someone tries to break it, then, it multiplies. It was the official cult of the Ottoman Turkish army.

It can not be easily stopped untill it comes to power. Once came to power then its own power destroys itself as every unquestionable power destroys itsel sooner or later. Like it had happened in Germany, like it is happening in the US (Skull and Bones). The Ottoman Turks were using another Turko-Iranian cult to balance it: Mevlevies. Sultans and the burocracy were raised as Mevlevi while the soldiers were raised as Bektashi.

Bektashies is quite a closed society, it is so closed that if someone tries to join it he risks his property and his life. BUT Mevlevies were open to everybody.

Mesnevi, the holly book of the Mevlevies, is Platonist. Plato is clearly mentioned and written at the very beginning of it. Mevlevies do not like Socrates and Aristo as much. The World famous Mevlevi concept of LOVE is just PLATONIC LOVE. It may sound to you very strange that the Turkish state is ruled upon Platos teaching but it is a fact.

So, after this much explanation, I hope, no one is as confused as before :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about TURKISH FREE MASONARY !?</p>
<p>Americans had correctly noticed that NOI (Nation of Islam, a Black American movement) had Free Masonary influences. I tell you what. Islamic free masonary is nothing new, it is a very old doctrine. Heavily used and abused also before, during and after First World War by the Turkish Empire.</p>
<p>Turkish Special Organization (Teskilat-i Mahsusa) men were responsible for the spread of it while the Community of Union and Progress were behind it. Everything was done in cooperation with the Germans <img src='http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There is an ongoing huge criminal court case / investigation in Istanbul, called Ergenekon (more than 50.000 pages of accusations for more than 200 suspects). It got internetional attention too because some very influential people of Turkey were arrested (more than a hundred of them).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_</a>(&#8230;)</p>
<p>ACCTUALLY the convicts are not Kemalists, nor ultra-nationalists. If you seek carefully within the Ergenekon related texts you will notice a word, AGARTHA. Among the arrested are the heads of Scientology and Noel Baba (Santa Claus) Society in Turkey.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha</a></p>
<p>When the first arrests began, two more names circulated in Turkish media together with AGARTHA: MADAM BLAVATSKY and SEBOTTENDORF.</p>
<p>Sebottendorf, who established the Thule Society that brought Hitler to power, was a Freemason and a Turkish Citizen. He knew numerology, kabbalah and Sufism (Bektashi order).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Socie.." rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Socie..</a>.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_.." rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_..</a>.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashi</a></p>
<p>Bektashies are famous of their secret doctrine which is called the Bektashi Secret. Secret Societies are as Turkish as apple pie !</p>
<p>God permeates the whole wide world.<br />
Yet His truth is revealed to none.<br />
You better seek Him in yourself.<br />
You and He are not apart, you are one.</p>
<p>Firm hands will lose their grip one day<br />
And tonques that talk will soon decay:<br />
The wealth you loved and stored away<br />
Will go to some inheritor</p>
<p>Mystic is what they call me,<br />
Hate is my only enemy;<br />
I harbor a grudge against none,<br />
To me the whole wide world is one.</p>
<p>This was Bektashi poetry. Sebottendorf was also influenced by teachings of Madam Blavatsky too.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blavatsky" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blavatsky</a></p>
<p>Blavatsky had spent some time in Istanbul as well as in the US.</p>
<p>It is believed that Sebottendorf had a Turkish name too, Sefik Husnu. It is well known and documented that someone called Sefik Husnu was arrested for being responsible for the REICHTAG FIRE that carried HITLER to power. Sefik Husnu was Jewish.</p>
<p>(Obviously, some jews had to create the anti-jewish movements themselves for the sole purpose of forcing them to migrate to Israel.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marx.org/glossary/people/d/e..." rel="nofollow">http://www.marx.org/glossary/people/d/e&#8230;</a>.</p>
<p>He was released from the prison with Hitlers personal intervention to leave Germany. Today, the core of the people arrested within the Ergenekon case is Sefik Husnus group of people.</p>
<p>Thule Society, Skull and Bones, Nation of Islam all cary Turko-Iranian cultural characteristics. BUT, mainly the cultural cahracteristics of the Bektashi sect.</p>
<p>To be exact, I need to mention that Christianity does also cary Persian cultural characteristics <img src='http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> The Catholic church was a fundamentalist movement that had risen within the Mitraism and destroyed and replaced it after three hundreds years of bloody struggle.</p>
<p>Bektashi structure is unbreakable, militant and if someone tries to break it, then, it multiplies. It was the official cult of the Ottoman Turkish army.</p>
<p>It can not be easily stopped untill it comes to power. Once came to power then its own power destroys itself as every unquestionable power destroys itsel sooner or later. Like it had happened in Germany, like it is happening in the US (Skull and Bones). The Ottoman Turks were using another Turko-Iranian cult to balance it: Mevlevies. Sultans and the burocracy were raised as Mevlevi while the soldiers were raised as Bektashi.</p>
<p>Bektashies is quite a closed society, it is so closed that if someone tries to join it he risks his property and his life. BUT Mevlevies were open to everybody.</p>
<p>Mesnevi, the holly book of the Mevlevies, is Platonist. Plato is clearly mentioned and written at the very beginning of it. Mevlevies do not like Socrates and Aristo as much. The World famous Mevlevi concept of LOVE is just PLATONIC LOVE. It may sound to you very strange that the Turkish state is ruled upon Platos teaching but it is a fact.</p>
<p>So, after this much explanation, I hope, no one is as confused as before <img src='http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Terry Melanson</title>
		<link>http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1309#comment-13480</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Melanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me about it!

What are your thoughts? 

The most interesting part of their history, to me, is the connection to the Sabbateans and the Donmeh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me about it!</p>
<p>What are your thoughts? </p>
<p>The most interesting part of their history, to me, is the connection to the Sabbateans and the Donmeh.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Looker</title>
		<link>http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1309#comment-13476</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Looker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bank manager who is incapable of using capital letters and a critic who can't spell...posting irrelevant responses to a serious article...One despairs, one really does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bank manager who is incapable of using capital letters and a critic who can&#8217;t spell&#8230;posting irrelevant responses to a serious article&#8230;One despairs, one really does.</p>
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		<title>By: ketbuga noyan</title>
		<link>http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1309#comment-8615</link>
		<dc:creator>ketbuga noyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a ignorance...!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a ignorance&#8230;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: noble wilzon alava</title>
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		<dc:creator>noble wilzon alava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i lost my job as a bank manager last december 2008.is there no help for the widow's son?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i lost my job as a bank manager last december 2008.is there no help for the widow&#8217;s son?</p>
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