Comments on: Noble Savage myth covers up truth http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1273 Anti-Theory Conspiracy Fri, 24 May 2013 01:44:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: ATM http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1273#comment-22721 ATM Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:56:34 +0000 http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1273#comment-22721 The Professor links pre-industrial with "hunter-gatherer." All hunter-gatherer societies are pre-industrial. However, not all pre-industrial societies are hunter-gatherer. Thus, the hardships of life in the agricultural period are not the same as life in the hunter-gatherer period. Odd that he would mention Francis Bacon as some kind of counterpoint to Rousseau, since Francis Bacon's New Atlantis was itself essential a Utopian vision and not a realist blueprint. The Professor links pre-industrial with “hunter-gatherer.” All hunter-gatherer societies are pre-industrial. However, not all pre-industrial societies are hunter-gatherer. Thus, the hardships of life in the agricultural period are not the same as life in the hunter-gatherer period.

Odd that he would mention Francis Bacon as some kind of counterpoint to Rousseau, since Francis Bacon’s New Atlantis was itself essential a Utopian vision and not a realist blueprint.

]]> By: Brandon http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1273#comment-11924 Brandon Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:19:35 +0000 http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1273#comment-11924 There is a balance between the two that is missed, and as many movements in one direction and then the other, the place between the two positions is where mankind will find rest. Technology is not the beast, it is the ego mind of man that is the driver of destruction. It seems the writer here has a loathe of naturalists and this movement, and believes that nature is here only for our domination of it. The permaculture movement is showing how mankind can indeed work "WITH" nature rather than against it. In fact, if it were not for "Society" and the structure of control in which we all live under, money and the desire to accumulate and maintain reserves of it, would no longer get in the way of progress. Since time immemorable, that greed and network of controlling factions has sought to destroy progress in the name of maintaining that system of control. The only progress that is allowed, is that which can be controlled. Free Wireless Electricity broadcast across the globe was possible in the early 1900's, but because the source of the energy comes from a source that cannot be controlled and sold for a price, the technology had no future, and was suppressed with feverish intent. The source of energy was to create standing waves or resonance inside the earth, which amplified and created a source of free energy. Tesla's Wardenclyff tower amplified that energy, and could broadcast it over amazing distances. This is one example of thousands of technologies that have been suppressed. These frequencies could also generate healing energetic waves rather than the 60 Hz frequencies that tear down our bodies. My point is that you do not have to sacrifice technology to get back to a natural way of life. You do not have to descend into savagery to live in harmony with the earth. Generally when I hear a rant like this, I think of the way that Nature is demonized and how religious institutions have sought to convince us that Nature is an Evil that must be tamed, and that our civilization is the exalted institution. I would ask those people why this approach has brought us so much heart ache and suffering? Mankind has had little chance to escape the Institutions of man, and therefore has lost all understanding of how to be connected with the natural systems that have existed here on earth for millenia. And if we strip this planet of all biology, then I would imagine those minds that are still not free, will continue to trumpet the horns of progress which is driven for the good of a few, and not the good of the many. A hunter gatherer model of existence or mono-culture cropping are both outdated models of natural existence. The way of abundance has yet to be realized as people are distracted with the forces of control that keep their attention and direction. By mimicking nature, we can learn how to create true abundance, and abundance generating technologies. That sacred teaching exists all around us, and has been realized by many inventors only to be destroyed by the drivers of civilization. The poverty that was spoken of in this article was caused by these controllers throughout the centuries, and mankind has not had the opportunity to utilize the new insights and understandings in a way that can create a sustainable future for us all. The author stated: "The truth is that human beings have not, cannot, and never will live in harmony with nature." This is simply a false statement, and can be easily disproven with a reference to many cultures throughout history, one example being the Hopi. Although I agree that the current difficulties are being used as political tools and that there is some junk science out there, that does not mean that we are not experiencing this shift away from nature and a loss of our natural resources. Only a foolish man would truly believe this, do you not see the natural lands around you disappearing? Do you not have appreciation for life and all it's expressions? Or are those just for us to chop down, eat up, and use for our pleasures without attention to replacing the abundance from which we came? Careful the balance you sway towards denial of the richness that nature provides, that life gives life, and it can be taken away. There is a balance between the two that is missed, and as many movements in one direction and then the other, the place between the two positions is where mankind will find rest. Technology is not the beast, it is the ego mind of man that is the driver of destruction. It seems the writer here has a loathe of naturalists and this movement, and believes that nature is here only for our domination of it. The permaculture movement is showing how mankind can indeed work “WITH” nature rather than against it. In fact, if it were not for “Society” and the structure of control in which we all live under, money and the desire to accumulate and maintain reserves of it, would no longer get in the way of progress. Since time immemorable, that greed and network of controlling factions has sought to destroy progress in the name of maintaining that system of control. The only progress that is allowed, is that which can be controlled. Free Wireless Electricity broadcast across the globe was possible in the early 1900’s, but because the source of the energy comes from a source that cannot be controlled and sold for a price, the technology had no future, and was suppressed with feverish intent. The source of energy was to create standing waves or resonance inside the earth, which amplified and created a source of free energy. Tesla’s Wardenclyff tower amplified that energy, and could broadcast it over amazing distances. This is one example of thousands of technologies that have been suppressed. These frequencies could also generate healing energetic waves rather than the 60 Hz frequencies that tear down our bodies.
My point is that you do not have to sacrifice technology to get back to a natural way of life. You do not have to descend into savagery to live in harmony with the earth. Generally when I hear a rant like this, I think of the way that Nature is demonized and how religious institutions have sought to convince us that Nature is an Evil that must be tamed, and that our civilization is the exalted institution. I would ask those people why this approach has brought us so much heart ache and suffering? Mankind has had little chance to escape the Institutions of man, and therefore has lost all understanding of how to be connected with the natural systems that have existed here on earth for millenia. And if we strip this planet of all biology, then I would imagine those minds that are still not free, will continue to trumpet the horns of progress which is driven for the good of a few, and not the good of the many.
A hunter gatherer model of existence or mono-culture cropping are both outdated models of natural existence. The way of abundance has yet to be realized as people are distracted with the forces of control that keep their attention and direction. By mimicking nature, we can learn how to create true abundance, and abundance generating technologies. That sacred teaching exists all around us, and has been realized by many inventors only to be destroyed by the drivers of civilization. The poverty that was spoken of in this article was caused by these controllers throughout the centuries, and mankind has not had the opportunity to utilize the new insights and understandings in a way that can create a sustainable future for us all.
The author stated: “The truth is that human beings have not, cannot, and never will live in harmony with nature.” This is simply a false statement, and can be easily disproven with a reference to many cultures throughout history, one example being the Hopi. Although I agree that the current difficulties are being used as political tools and that there is some junk science out there, that does not mean that we are not experiencing this shift away from nature and a loss of our natural resources. Only a foolish man would truly believe this, do you not see the natural lands around you disappearing? Do you not have appreciation for life and all it’s expressions? Or are those just for us to chop down, eat up, and use for our pleasures without attention to replacing the abundance from which we came? Careful the balance you sway towards denial of the richness that nature provides, that life gives life, and it can be taken away.

]]> By: Anton http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1273#comment-3851 Anton Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:35:01 +0000 http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=1273#comment-3851 Deming's conclusion is wrong because when "rational persons" argue that oil is "making us sick," they are not "swooning to the lure of the Noble Savage" but showing that our present circumstances are just as bad as the past that he describes! Deming’s conclusion is wrong because when “rational persons” argue that oil is “making us sick,” they are not “swooning to the lure of the Noble Savage” but showing that our present circumstances are just as bad as the past that he describes!

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